I like nasturtiums.
Nasturtiums like "poor soil".

Last year I grew some in a window box with other annuals that like the odd
feed and I ended up with buckets of nasturtium foliage. (At least the
compost heap appreciated it)

So I am going to grow them by themselves this year and have planted some in
a tub of last year's compost.

Will this work d'you think?

SueW.


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Sue wrote:

> I like nasturtiums.


I love them too Sue, but unfortunately so do the blasted black fly.
Mine looked beautiful growing up the trellis by the back door last
summer until they became invaded by black fly and as if that wasn't bad
enough then the caterpillars started to eat them! :)

As a result I am growing morning glory instead as I seem to have more
success with that! :-)

Gail

Sue wrote:
> I like nasturtiums.
> Nasturtiums like "poor soil".
>
> Last year I grew some in a window box with other annuals that like the odd
> feed and I ended up with buckets of nasturtium foliage. (At least the
> compost heap appreciated it)
>
> So I am going to grow them by themselves this year and have planted some in
> a tub of last year's compost.
>
> Will this work d'you think?
>
They work much better in poor soil, so yes probably. We grow one
called Red Velvet which seems to be less blackfly attractive than many
of the others but I don't know why.
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www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon

In article <3i05g.3708$k72.3337 [at] newsfe2-gui.ntli.net>,
"Sue" <nospam [at] nospam.com> writes:
|> I like nasturtiums.
|> Nasturtiums like "poor soil".
|>
|> Last year I grew some in a window box with other annuals that like the odd
|> feed and I ended up with buckets of nasturtium foliage. (At least the
|> compost heap appreciated it)

They are good in salads. I can relate to your experience - mine do that
in wet years.

|> So I am going to grow them by themselves this year and have planted some in
|> a tub of last year's compost.
|>
|> Will this work d'you think?

Probably. A tub of sand with enough compost in the centre to get them
started might also do. Or it might be TOO dry.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

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Jenny (the Netherlands)
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"Sue" <nospam [at] nospam.com> wrote in message
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>I like nasturtiums.
> Nasturtiums like "poor soil".
>
> Last year I grew some in a window box with other annuals that like the odd
> feed and I ended up with buckets of nasturtium foliage. (At least the
> compost heap appreciated it)
>
> So I am going to grow them by themselves this year and have planted some
> in a tub of last year's compost.
>
> Will this work d'you think?
> SueW.

Should be fine. Maybe you could mix some sand in with the soil to make it
'poorer'
Jenny

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Janet Baraclough wrote:
>
> > As a result I am growing morning glory instead as I seem to have more
> > success with that! :-)
>
> Which colour?
>
> Janet

I have just re-potted my seedlings into deeper pots. I have mixed two
different colours together, Grandpa Ottis and Heavenly Blue. I planted
some Sky Lark which didn't even germinate, thanks to my cat 'Dave', who
decided that he would knock them from the bathroom window cill into the
bath just for the hell of it, cos that's what Dave is like.

I have grown Heavenly Blue the last two years and it is stunning once
it gets going. This year I am going to grow them up the fence which we
have just erected around the veg patch (to keep the dogs off).

As you can imagine and probably have guessed from reading my posts that
It sure is hard work trying to have a nice garden with so many animals.
Gardens and animals just don't go but I'm a sucker for waifs and
strays :-)

(Btw - I think I am getting the hang of the quote thing. Thanks for
the info)

Gail

I once had some self-sown nasturtiums, that came up amongst my french
marigolds, and the nasturtiums did not get any black fly all season! Do have
another go, and try growing them right next to french marigolds.
John
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"tom&barbara" <gailgirvan408 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Sue wrote:
>
>> I like nasturtiums.
>
>
>I love them too Sue, but unfortunately so do the blasted black fly.
>Mine looked beautiful growing up the trellis by the back door last
>summer until they became invaded by black fly and as if that wasn't bad
>enough then the caterpillars started to eat them! :)
>
>As a result I am growing morning glory instead as I seem to have more
>success with that! :-)
>
>Gail
>

tom&barbara wrote:
> Sue wrote:
>
> > I like nasturtiums.
>
>
> I love them too Sue, but unfortunately so do the blasted black fly.
> Mine looked beautiful growing up the trellis by the back door last
> summer until they became invaded by black fly and as if that wasn't bad
> enough then the caterpillars started to eat them! :)

I think the caterpillars are usually cabbage whites and they are
actually quite prety (even the ceterpillars themselves). When I last
grew them and got caterpillars, me and the kids had some fun collecting
the chrysalissesses and "hatching" them out. The black fly can be
overwhelming at first but may calm down if enough hoverflies and things
can get at them. They are tough ole plants and usually manage to look
after themselves after a while.

Morning glories are a different story though; the blue ones are
fabulous but we do not get enough sun here to do them easily. Good
luck with them.

Des in Dublin


>
> As a result I am growing morning glory instead as I seem to have more
> success with that! :-)
>
> Gail

dazzhiggins [at] hotmail.com Wrote:
> tom&barbara wrote:
> Sue wrote:
>
> I like nasturtiums.
>
>
> I love them too Sue, but unfortunately so do the blasted black fly.
> Mine looked beautiful growing up the trellis by the back door last
> summer until they became invaded by black fly and as if that wasn't
> bad
> enough then the caterpillars started to eat them! :)
>
> I think the caterpillars are usually cabbage whites and they are
> actually quite prety (even the ceterpillars themselves). When I last
> grew them and got caterpillars, me and the kids had some fun
> collecting
> the chrysalissesses and "hatching" them out. The black fly can be
> overwhelming at first but may calm down if enough hoverflies and
> things
> can get at them. They are tough ole plants and usually manage to look
> after themselves after a while.
>
> Morning glories are a different story though; the blue ones are
> fabulous but we do not get enough sun here to do them easily. Good
> luck with them.
>
> Des in Dublin
>
>
>
> As a result I am growing morning glory instead as I seem to have more
> success with that! :-)
>
> Gail


Yes I agree. Mine have lots og black fly on them but the plants are
still going guns.


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roonster

I bought some berries here in Bristol - with
"murallas" written on the box.

They look like red and yellow blueberries -
but inside the seeds are like little rocks -
more like a guava than a blueberry.

Photos:

http://timtyler.org/temp/murallas_1.jpg
http://timtyler.org/temp/murallas_2.jpg

They taste great - but again: not much like
the blueberries they rather resemble.

I searched for murallas without much success.

Can any kind soul help me to ID these berries?

Thanks in advance for any assistance.
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Following up to Tim Tyler <tim [at] tt1lock.org> :

>I bought some berries here in Bristol - with
>"murallas" written on the box.
>
>They look like red and yellow blueberries -
>but inside the seeds are like little rocks -
>more like a guava than a blueberry.
>
>Photos:
>
> http://timtyler.org/temp/murallas_1.jpg
> http://timtyler.org/temp/murallas_2.jpg
>
>They taste great - but again: not much like
>the blueberries they rather resemble.
>
>I searched for murallas without much success.
>
>Can any kind soul help me to ID these berries?
>
>Thanks in advance for any assistance.

Could it be a sort of medlar? (Mespilus germanica)
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Tim C. wrote:

> Following up to Tim Tyler <tim [at] tt1lock.org> :
>
>>I bought some berries here in Bristol - with
>>"murallas" written on the box.
>>
>>They look like red and yellow blueberries -
>>but inside the seeds are like little rocks -
>>more like a guava than a blueberry.
>>
>>Photos:
>>
>> http://timtyler.org/temp/murallas_1.jpg
>> http://timtyler.org/temp/murallas_2.jpg
>
> Could it be a sort of medlar? (Mespilus germanica)

Interesting. I looked at their relatives.
Not an exact match - but perhaps a lead.

I bought them at Bristol's Sweet Mart.

They couldn't tell me much about them -
except that their availability was not
very good.

The berries in the photos cost me 1.99 UKP.
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The message <V%Vmg.455681$tc.231134 [at] fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>
from Tim Tyler <tim [at] tt1lock.org> contains these words:

> Tim C. wrote:

> > Following up to Tim Tyler <tim [at] tt1lock.org> :
> >
> >>I bought some berries here in Bristol - with
> >>"murallas" written on the box.
> >>
> >>They look like red and yellow blueberries -
> >>but inside the seeds are like little rocks -
> >>more like a guava than a blueberry.
> >>
> >>Photos:
> >>
> >> http://timtyler.org/temp/murallas_1.jpg
> >> http://timtyler.org/temp/murallas_2.jpg
> >
> > Could it be a sort of medlar? (Mespilus germanica)

> Interesting. I looked at their relatives.
> Not an exact match - but perhaps a lead.

> I bought them at Bristol's Sweet Mart.

> They couldn't tell me much about them -
> except that their availability was not
> very good.

Good old Abdul!!! Must drop by there soon and tell him,
plus get some - if I can!!!

Jennifer

Tim C. <tim.challenger [at] aon.at> writes
>Following up to Tim Tyler <tim [at] tt1lock.org> :
>
>>I bought some berries here in Bristol - with
>>"murallas" written on the box.
>>
>>They look like red and yellow blueberries -
>>but inside the seeds are like little rocks -
>>more like a guava than a blueberry.
>>
>>Photos:
>>
>> http://timtyler.org/temp/murallas_1.jpg
>> http://timtyler.org/temp/murallas_2.jpg
>>
>>They taste great - but again: not much like
>>the blueberries they rather resemble.
>>
>>I searched for murallas without much success.
>>
>>Can any kind soul help me to ID these berries?
>>
>>Thanks in advance for any assistance.
>
>Could it be a sort of medlar? (Mespilus germanica)

If they're described as looking like blueberries, then I'd assume they
were that size, ie far too small for medlar.

Look like cranberry to me, or something of that family.
--
Kay

K wrote or quoted:

>>> Photos:
>>>
>>> http://timtyler.org/temp/murallas_1.jpg
>>> http://timtyler.org/temp/murallas_2.jpg
>
>> Could it be a sort of medlar? (Mespilus germanica)
>
> If they're described as looking like blueberries, then I'd assume they
> were that size, ie far too small for medlar.
>
> Look like cranberry to me, or something of that family.

They were smaller than most shop-bought blueberries.

More like the size of the blueberries I get on my
blueberry bushes at home.

The carton in the first photo is 10cm across.

There's a significant medlar similarity - apart from
the size issue.

They don't remind me much of cranberries. They are
certainly not very tart - and the insides seem
pretty different.
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Tim Tyler <tim [at] tt1lock.org> writes
>K wrote or quoted:
>
>>>> Photos:
>>>>
>>>> http://timtyler.org/temp/murallas_1.jpg
>>>> http://timtyler.org/temp/murallas_2.jpg
>>
>>> Could it be a sort of medlar? (Mespilus germanica)
>> If they're described as looking like blueberries, then I'd assume
>>they were that size, ie far too small for medlar.
>> Look like cranberry to me, or something of that family.
>
>They were smaller than most shop-bought blueberries.

Certainly not medlars, then!
>

--
Kay

In message <V7Nmg.208037$8W1.34306 [at] fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Tim Tyler
<tim [at] tt1lock.org> writes
>I bought some berries here in Bristol - with
>"murallas" written on the box.
>
>They look like red and yellow blueberries -
>but inside the seeds are like little rocks -
>more like a guava than a blueberry.
>
>Photos:
>
> http://timtyler.org/temp/murallas_1.jpg
> http://timtyler.org/temp/murallas_2.jpg
>
>They taste great - but again: not much like
>the blueberries they rather resemble.
>
>I searched for murallas without much success.
>
>Can any kind soul help me to ID these berries?
>
>Thanks in advance for any assistance.

My first thought (before looking at the pictures) was a bad
transcription of Morello (as in Cherry), but clearly that's not what
they are.

They look as if they might be a pome of some description (elsethread
medlar has been mentioned). You can presumably check whether they are
pomes by cutting them open.

A little while back there was a thread here about some exotic fruits
which turned out to be a Chinese variety of Crataegus (not either of the
British species, I think, but, IIRC, C. pinnatifida). You could see if
that thread gives any inspiration.
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:55:33 GMT, Tim Tyler <tim [at] tt1lock.org> wrote:

>I bought some berries here in Bristol - with
>"murallas" written on the box.
>
>They look like red and yellow blueberries -
>but inside the seeds are like little rocks -
>more like a guava than a blueberry.

They certainly sound and look like something in the rosaceae family.
Rose hips and hawthorn berried have hard seeds inside.
Where I used to work was a tree which had little red berries similar
to these.
Question; what are you going to do with them?

Pam in Bristol

"Tim Tyler" <tim [at] tt1lock.org> wrote in message
news:V7Nmg.208037$8W1.34306 [at] fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>I bought some berries here in Bristol - with
> "murallas" written on the box.
>
> They look like red and yellow blueberries -
> but inside the seeds are like little rocks -
> more like a guava than a blueberry.
>
> Photos:> http://timtyler.org/temp/murallas_1.jpg
> http://timtyler.org/temp/murallas_2.jpg
>
> They taste great - but again: not much like
> the blueberries they rather resemble.
> > I searched for murallas without much success.
>> Can any kind soul help me to ID these berries?
>> Thanks in advance for any assistance.

I think I've seen these in my local supermarket............Mangosteen ??

http://www.consciousliving.net.au/products.htm?171

http://www.gotouring.com/razzledazzle/fruit/fruitindex.html
http://www.gotouring.com/razzledazzle/fruit/mangosteen.html
Jenny

On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:55:33 GMT, Tim Tyler <tim [at] tt1lock.org> wrote:

>I bought some berries here in Bristol - with
>"murallas" written on the box.
>
>They look like red and yellow blueberries -
>but inside the seeds are like little rocks -

I think I know what they are! Saw some very similar this afternoon,
and even tasted one!
Amelanchier. Can anyone confirm?
Same range of colour and same form.
The owner said they are also known as June-Berry.


Pam in Bristol

Stewart Robert Hinsley <{$news$} [at] meden.demon.co.uk> writes
>
>My first thought (before looking at the pictures) was a bad
>transcription of Morello (as in Cherry), but clearly that's not what
>they are.
>
>They look as if they might be a pome of some description (elsethread
>medlar has been mentioned). You can presumably check whether they are
>pomes by cutting them open.

He's said elsewhere that they're blueberry size, so definitely not
medlar.
>

--
Kay

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from Stewart Robert Hinsley <{$news$} [at] meden.demon.co.uk> contains these words:

> In message <V7Nmg.208037$8W1.34306 [at] fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Tim Tyler
> <tim [at] tt1lock.org> writes
> >I bought some berries here in Bristol - with
> >"murallas" written on the box.
snip
> My first thought (before looking at the pictures) was a bad
> transcription of Morello (as in Cherry), but clearly that's not what
> they are.

> They look as if they might be a pome of some description (elsethread
> medlar has been mentioned). You can presumably check whether they are
> pomes by cutting them open.

> A little while back there was a thread here about some exotic fruits
> which turned out to be a Chinese variety of Crataegus (not either of the
> British species, I think, but, IIRC, C. pinnatifida). You could see if
> that thread gives any inspiration.

Managed to get to The Sweetmart today and spoke Abdul who doesn't,
as mentioned earlier, know the botanical name for them but says he will
ask his brother.

They are hard to get. He said these ones were local, this batch came from
the Cheltenham area. They grow in temperate zones.

He says they are definitely not Mangosteen, which are bigger and totally
different when cut open.

He agreed they look a bit like Medlars but much smaller. When I mentioned
Hawthorn he said they were like that. I mentioned Crataegus pinnafida
and if it was that then they were mostly used for their medicinal properties.

So looks like we are down to Crataegus or Amelanchier.

see:
http://www.pfaf.org/database/plants.php?Crataegus+pinnatifid a
http://www.pfaf.org/leaflets/junebery.php

No pictures there for either but both can be found using google images.

Alas there were none left :(

Jennifer - in Bristol