Flower Identity
We came across a striking looking flower hidden in our friends garden
amongst the aquilegias. Can anyone identify it please?
URL address below.
http://static.flickr.com/59/159915251_9f3f61deed_o.jpg
J.
Re: Flower Identity
Jollygreenp wrote:
> We came across a striking looking flower hidden in our friends garden
> amongst the aquilegias. Can anyone identify it please?
> URL address below.
>
> http://static.flickr.com/59/159915251_9f3f61deed_o.jpg
A geum, a yellow one. You have also aquilegia in there and geranium
(some blue petals are amongst the plants).
Re: Flower Identity
Jollygreenp <johnharper045 [at] gmail.com> writes
>We came across a striking looking flower hidden in our friends garden
>amongst the aquilegias. Can anyone identify it please?
>URL address below.
>
>http://static.flickr.com/59/159915251_9f3f61deed_o.jpg
>
>J.
>
Hmm. It's a pity the camera decided to focus on the leaf at the expense
of the flower! From the leaf I'd suggest globeflower (Trollius
europaeus) , but it doesn't seem to have quite enough petals. But the
centre of the flower suggests it is some member of the buttercup family,
so globe flower is probably right.
--
Kay
Re: Flower Identity
"La Puce" <helene [at] rudlin.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1149691355.130504.304290 [at] f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> Jollygreenp wrote:
>> We came across a striking looking flower hidden in our friends garden
>> amongst the aquilegias. Can anyone identify it please?
>> URL address below.
>>
>> http://static.flickr.com/59/159915251_9f3f61deed_o.jpg
>
> A geum, a yellow one. You have also aquilegia in there and geranium
> (some blue petals are amongst the plants).
>
I think the blue petals ( and the white) are from the Aquilegia. I like that
colour blue and don't think there is a geranium matching it.
Re: Flower Identity
"Rupert (W.Yorkshire)" <reply [at] newsgroups.com> writes
>
>"La Puce" <helene [at] rudlin.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:1149691355.130504.304290 [at] f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Jollygreenp wrote:
>>> We came across a striking looking flower hidden in our friends garden
>>> amongst the aquilegias. Can anyone identify it please?
>>> URL address below.
>>>
>>> http://static.flickr.com/59/159915251_9f3f61deed_o.jpg
>>
>> A geum, a yellow one. You have also aquilegia in there and geranium
>> (some blue petals are amongst the plants).
>>
>I think the blue petals ( and the white) are from the Aquilegia. I like that
>colour blue and don't think there is a geranium matching it.
>
Leaves are wrong for a Geum, surely? Geum leaves have pinnately arranged
serrated lobes. The leaves of the plant in the question are deeply
divide palmately arranged lobes.
>
I'd agree the petals are from the aquilegia. Perhaps La Puce is thinking
that the lobed leaves are geranium rather than belonging to the yellow
flower? - they are similar to geranium leaves but not quite right.
--
Kay
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Re: Flower Identity
Janet Baraclough wrote:
> The message <whL749JaYvhEFwWv [at] scarboro.demon.co.uk>
> from K <k [at] scarboro.demon.co.uk> contains these words:
>
> > Jollygreenp <johnharper045 [at] gmail.com> writes
> > >We came across a striking looking flower hidden in our friends garden
> > >amongst the aquilegias. Can anyone identify it please?
> > >URL address below.
> > >
> > >http://static.flickr.com/59/159915251_9f3f61deed_o.jpg
> > >
> > >J.
> > >
> > Hmm. It's a pity the camera decided to focus on the leaf at the expense
> > of the flower! From the leaf I'd suggest globeflower (Trollius
> > europaeus) , but it doesn't seem to have quite enough petals. But the
> > centre of the flower suggests it is some member of the buttercup family,
> > so globe flower is probably right.
>
> Seconded.
>
> Janet.
>
Thanks folks, after searching through flower pictures in the
Ranunculaceae group all night I have come to the conclusion that it is
probably a Trollius Asiaticus
http://www.stauder.net/bildearkiv/Trollius%20asiaticus%20SL. jpg
that is just about to open fully.
J.
Re: Flower Identity
K wrote:
> Leaves are wrong for a Geum, surely? Geum leaves have pinnately arranged
> serrated lobes. The leaves of the plant in the question are deeply
> divide palmately arranged lobes.
> I'd agree the petals are from the aquilegia. Perhaps La Puce is thinking
> that the lobed leaves are geranium rather than belonging to the yellow
> flower? - they are similar to geranium leaves but not quite right.
Indeed. In my garden, flowers grow through other plants and give the
impression that a flower, say marguerite, would belong to the fatsia
leaves because it is growing through it. I like this very much :o)
Here is the blue geranium in my garden. The leaves are very similar to
the OP's picture.
http://cjoint.com/?giltf6kFT8
This is the Johnson's one, which I would like one day .... :
http://cjoint.com/?gill7bu6iX
And here is the yellow geum. My geum is red but start yellow and keeps
a yellow rim on the red petals. I'm really happy about this as I
thought I had a yellow and was very dissapointed. Anyhow the leaves are
very much like the one on the OP picture. And the flower is indeed like
the ronunculus ones - buttercup family - like the geum.
http://cjoint.com/?gilmBToGnZ
Re: Flower Identity
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Re: Flower Identity
In message <1149758642.665574.298890 [at] h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, La
Puce <helene [at] rudlin.co.uk> writes
>And the flower is indeed like the ronunculus ones - buttercup family -
>like the geum.
How your sentence is meant to fit together is ambiguous - are you
claiming that Geum is ranunculaceous? (It's rosaceous.)
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley
Re: Flower Identity
Janet Baraclough wrote:
> Forget leaves. Look closer at the stamens, the stumpy even ones on
> geum are very modest, compared with the typical big boss of stamens in
> the trollius picture, which protrude beyond the rim of the petals.
True - a bit blur though - but true. Every details count indeed :o)
Re: Flower Identity
Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote:
> In message <1149758642.665574.298890 [at] h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, La
> Puce <helene [at] rudlin.co.uk> writes
> >And the flower is indeed like the ronunculus ones - buttercup family -
> >like the geum.
>
> How your sentence is meant to fit together is ambiguous - are you
> claiming that Geum is ranunculaceous? (It's rosaceous.)
Nonono! I'm saying that the flower is like a ronunculus one, buttercup
family and similar, simply just *similar* of the geum. Janet pointed
out that the stamens are higher than the rim of the petals - a detail
which rules out the Geum posibility.
I'm hot, too hot now ... I'd give anything to get thrown into a river,
the sea, a bucket even!
Re: Flower Identity
hi
I have a plant in my garden that i know nothing about or even what it
is it has red leaves and little tiny pink flowers help please
--
prettylittlefis
Re: Flower Identity
prettylittlefis Wrote:
> hi
> I have a plant in my garden that i know nothing about or even what it
> is it has red leaves and little tiny pink flowers help please
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prettylittlefis
Re: Flower Identity
prettylittlefis wrote:
> prettylittlefis Wrote:
>
>>hi
>>I have a plant in my garden that i know nothing about or even what it
>>is it has red leaves and little tiny pink flowers help please
>
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It's a Heuchera...
Re: Flower Identity
On 9/6/06 15:27, in article e6c0lj$eom$1 [at] scotsman.ed.ac.uk, "Philippe
Gautier" <Philippe.Gautier [at] nospamhgu.mrc.ac.uk> wrote:
> prettylittlefis wrote:
>> prettylittlefis Wrote:
>>
>>> hi
>>> I have a plant in my garden that i know nothing about or even what it
>>> is it has red leaves and little tiny pink flowers help please
>>
>>
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>>
> It's a Heuchera...
which appears to have a label stuck in it.....
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(email address on website)
Re: Flower Identity
prettylittlefis <prettylittlefis.2951k3 [at] gardenbanter.co.uk> writes
>
>hi
>I have a plant in my garden that i know nothing about or even what it
>is it has red leaves and little tiny pink flowers help please
>
Hmm.
Leaves look like heuchera - similar to
http://tinyurl.co.uk/qxxd
Flowers I'm almost certain don't belong to it - I'm pretty sure they're
Herb Robert, and belong to the green leaves that you can see underneath
the red leaves.
http://tinyurl.co.uk/ggl4
Herb Robert seeds itself around with abandon and can become a nuisance.
--
Kay
Re: Flower Identity
Philippe Gautier <Philippe.Gautier [at] nospamhgu.mrc.ac.uk> writes
>prettylittlefis wrote:
>> prettylittlefis Wrote:
>>>hi I have a plant in my garden that i know nothing about or even what
>>>
>>>is it has red leaves and little tiny pink flowers help please
>>
>> +----------------------------------------------------------- --------+
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>> |Download: http://www.gardenbanter.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=29 12|
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>>
>It's a Heuchera...
But the flowers aren't
--
Kay
Re: Flower Identity
"K" <k [at] scarboro.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:gEAvBzH7rZiEFwOW [at] scarboro.demon.co.uk...
> Philippe Gautier <Philippe.Gautier [at] nospamhgu.mrc.ac.uk> writes
>>prettylittlefis wrote:
>>> prettylittlefis Wrote:
>>>>hi I have a plant in my garden that i know nothing about or even what
>>>>is it has red leaves and little tiny pink flowers help please
>>> +----------------------------------------------------------- --------+
>>> |Filename: DSCF0237.JPG |
>>> |Download:
>>> http://www.gardenbanter.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=29 12|
>>> +----------------------------------------------------------- --------+
>>>
>>It's a Heuchera...
>
> But the flowers aren't
> Kay
They look like that weed thing that smells strongly..........the name
escapes me ATM
jenny
Re: Flower Identity
JennyC <Jenny.squirrel [at] chello.nl> writes
>
>"K" <k [at] scarboro.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:gEAvBzH7rZiEFwOW [at] scarboro.demon.co.uk...
>> Philippe Gautier <Philippe.Gautier [at] nospamhgu.mrc.ac.uk> writes
>>>prettylittlefis wrote:
>>>> prettylittlefis Wrote:
>>>>>hi I have a plant in my garden that i know nothing about or even what
>>>>>is it has red leaves and little tiny pink flowers help please
>>>> +----------------------------------------------------------- --------+
>>>> |Filename: DSCF0237.JPG |
>>>> |Download:
>>>> http://www.gardenbanter.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=29 12|
>>>> +----------------------------------------------------------- --------+
>>>>
>>>It's a Heuchera...
>>
>> But the flowers aren't
>> Kay
>
>They look like that weed thing that smells strongly..........the name
>escapes me ATM
Herb robert? ;)
--
Kay
Re: Flower Identity
"Sacha" <sacha [at] privacy.net> wrote in message
news:C0AF5942.3155C%sacha [at] privacy.net...
> On 9/6/06 15:27, in article e6c0lj$eom$1 [at] scotsman.ed.ac.uk, "Philippe
> Gautier" <Philippe.Gautier [at] nospamhgu.mrc.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>> prettylittlefis wrote:
>>> prettylittlefis Wrote:
>>>
>>>> hi
>>>> I have a plant in my garden that i know nothing about or even what it
>>>> is it has red leaves and little tiny pink flowers help please
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> +----------------------------------------------------------- --------+
>>> |Filename: DSCF0237.JPG |
>>> |Download:
>>> http://www.gardenbanter.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=29 12|
>>> +----------------------------------------------------------- --------+
>>>
>> It's a Heuchera...
>
> which appears to have a label stuck in it.....
>
> --
> Sacha
> www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
> South Devon
> (email address on website)
>
Looks like that small discrete label says Purple so my guess is Heuchera
palace purple:-)
Re: Flower Identity
On 9/6/06 22:56, in article 4489eea4 [at] 212.67.96.135, "Rupert (W.Yorkshire)"
<reply [at] newsgroups.com> wrote:
>
> "Sacha" <sacha [at] privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:C0AF5942.3155C%sacha [at] privacy.net...
>> On 9/6/06 15:27, in article e6c0lj$eom$1 [at] scotsman.ed.ac.uk, "Philippe
>> Gautier" <Philippe.Gautier [at] nospamhgu.mrc.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> prettylittlefis wrote:
>>>> prettylittlefis Wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> hi
>>>>> I have a plant in my garden that i know nothing about or even what it
>>>>> is it has red leaves and little tiny pink flowers help please
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> +----------------------------------------------------------- --------+
>>>> |Filename: DSCF0237.JPG |
>>>> |Download:
>>>> http://www.gardenbanter.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=29 12|
>>>> +----------------------------------------------------------- --------+
>>>>
>>> It's a Heuchera...
>>
>> which appears to have a label stuck in it.....
>>
>> --
>> Sacha
>> www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
>> South Devon
>> (email address on website)
>>
> Looks like that small discrete label says Purple so my guess is Heuchera
> palace purple:-)
>
>
You don't say.........
Some people really should give up trying to use Garden Banter to bait this
group!
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(email address on website)
Re: Flower Identity
"Sacha" <sacha [at] privacy.net> wrote in message
news:C0AFB933.315AA%sacha [at] privacy.net...
> On 9/6/06 22:56, in article 4489eea4 [at] 212.67.96.135, "Rupert (W.Yorkshire)"
> <reply [at] newsgroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Sacha" <sacha [at] privacy.net> wrote in message
>> news:C0AF5942.3155C%sacha [at] privacy.net...
>>> On 9/6/06 15:27, in article e6c0lj$eom$1 [at] scotsman.ed.ac.uk, "Philippe
>>> Gautier" <Philippe.Gautier [at] nospamhgu.mrc.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> prettylittlefis wrote:
>>>>> prettylittlefis Wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> hi
>>>>>> I have a plant in my garden that i know nothing about or even what it
>>>>>> is it has red leaves and little tiny pink flowers help please
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> +----------------------------------------------------------- --------+
>>>>> |Filename: DSCF0237.JPG |
>>>>> |Download:
>>>>> http://www.gardenbanter.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=29 12|
>>>>> +----------------------------------------------------------- --------+
>>>>>
>>>> It's a Heuchera...
>>>
>>> which appears to have a label stuck in it.....
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sacha
>>> www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
>>> South Devon
>>> (email address on website)
>>>
>> Looks like that small discrete label says Purple so my guess is Heuchera
>> palace purple:-)
>>
>>
> You don't say.........
> Some people really should give up trying to use Garden Banter to bait this
> group!
> --
> Sacha
> www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
> South Devon
> (email address on website)
>
We all like a quiz. I could only see the word purple and it would not
surprise me if all the labelling said was "purple plant" same as Morrisons
have a habit of labelling things as "Hardy perennial".
Re: Flower Identity
Rupert \(W.Yorkshire\) Wrote:
> "Sacha" sacha [at] privacy.net wrote in message
> news:C0AFB933.315AA%sacha [at] privacy.net...
> On 9/6/06 22:56, in article 4489eea4 [at] 212.67.96.135, "Rupert
> (W.Yorkshire)"
> reply [at] newsgroups.com wrote:
>
>
> "Sacha" sacha [at] privacy.net wrote in message
> news:C0AF5942.3155C%sacha [at] privacy.net...
> On 9/6/06 15:27, in article e6c0lj$eom$1 [at] scotsman.ed.ac.uk, "Philippe
> Gautier" Philippe.Gautier [at] nospamhgu.mrc.ac.uk wrote:
>
> prettylittlefis wrote:
> prettylittlefis Wrote:
>
> hi
> I have a plant in my garden that i know nothing about or even what it
> is it has red leaves and little tiny pink flowers help please
>
>
>
> +----------------------------------------------------------- --------+
> |Filename: DSCF0237.JPG |
> |Download:
> http://www.gardenbanter.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=29 12|
> +----------------------------------------------------------- --------+
>
> It's a Heuchera...
>
> which appears to have a label stuck in it.....
>
> --
> Sacha
> www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
> South Devon
> (email address on website)
>
> Looks like that small discrete label says Purple so my guess is
> Heuchera
> palace purple:-)
>
>
> You don't say.........
> Some people really should give up trying to use Garden Banter to bait
> this
> group!
> --
> Sacha
> www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
> South Devon
> (email address on website)
>
> We all like a quiz. I could only see the word purple and it would not
> surprise me if all the labelling said was "purple plant" same as
> Morrisons
> have a habit of labelling things as "Hardy perennial".
I think that (discreet) lable reads "all purpose" which perhaps is
even more vague than " Hardy perennial ".
--
trin
Re: Flower Identity
The message <448a0391 [at] 212.67.96.135>
from "Rupert \(W.Yorkshire\)" <reply [at] newsgroups.com> contains these words:
> "Sacha" <sacha [at] privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:C0AFB933.315AA%sacha [at] privacy.net...
> > On 9/6/06 22:56, in article 4489eea4 [at] 212.67.96.135, "Rupert (W.Yorkshire)"
> > <reply [at] newsgroups.com> wrote:
> >> "Sacha" <sacha [at] privacy.net> wrote in message
> >> news:C0AF5942.3155C%sacha [at] privacy.net...
> >>> On 9/6/06 15:27, in article e6c0lj$eom$1 [at] scotsman.ed.ac.uk, "Philippe
> >>> Gautier" <Philippe.Gautier [at] nospamhgu.mrc.ac.uk> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> prettylittlefis Wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I have a plant in my garden that i know nothing about or even what it
> >>>>>> is it has red leaves and little tiny pink flowers help please
>>>>> +----------------------------------------------------------- --------+
>> >>>>> http://www.gardenbanter.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=29 12|
> >>>>> +----------------------------------------------------------- --------+
> >>>>>
> >>>> It's a Heuchera...
> >>>
> >>> which appears to have a label stuck in it.....
> >>> Sacha
> >>> www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
> >>> South Devon
> >>> (email address on website)
> >>>
> >> Looks like that small discrete label says Purple so my guess is Heuchera
> >> palace purple:-)
> >>
> > You don't say.........
> > Some people really should give up trying to use Garden Banter to bait this
> > group!
> > --
> > Sacha
> > www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
> > South Devon
> > (email address on website)
> >
> We all like a quiz. I could only see the word purple and it would not
> surprise me if all the labelling said was "purple plant" same as Morrisons
> have a habit of labelling things as "Hardy perennial".
Looks more like a bag of all-purpose compost to me.
Janet G
Re: Flower Identity
"Janet Galpin" <decoy.farm [at] zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> The message <448a0391 [at] 212.67.96.135>
> from "Rupert \(W.Yorkshire\)" <reply [at] newsgroups.com> contains these words:
>
>> "Sacha" <sacha [at] privacy.net> wrote in message
>> news:C0AFB933.315AA%sacha [at] privacy.net...
>> > On 9/6/06 22:56, in article 4489eea4 [at] 212.67.96.135, "Rupert
>> > (W.Yorkshire)"
>> > <reply [at] newsgroups.com> wrote:
>
>> >> "Sacha" <sacha [at] privacy.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:C0AF5942.3155C%sacha [at] privacy.net...
>> >>> On 9/6/06 15:27, in article e6c0lj$eom$1 [at] scotsman.ed.ac.uk, "Philippe
>> >>> Gautier" <Philippe.Gautier [at] nospamhgu.mrc.ac.uk> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>> prettylittlefis Wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> I have a plant in my garden that i know nothing about or even what
>> >>>>>> it
>> >>>>>> is it has red leaves and little tiny pink flowers help please
> >>>>> +----------------------------------------------------------- --------+
>>> >>>>> http://www.gardenbanter.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=29 12|
>> >>>>> +----------------------------------------------------------- --------+
>> >>>>>
>> >>>> It's a Heuchera...
>> >>>
>> >>> which appears to have a label stuck in it.....
>> >>> Sacha
>> >>> www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
>> >>> South Devon
>> >>> (email address on website)
>> >>>
>> >> Looks like that small discrete label says Purple so my guess is
>> >> Heuchera
>> >> palace purple:-)
>> >>
>> > You don't say.........
>> > Some people really should give up trying to use Garden Banter to bait
>> > this
>> > group!
>> > --
>> > Sacha
>> > www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
>> > South Devon
>> > (email address on website)
>> >
>> We all like a quiz. I could only see the word purple and it would not
>> surprise me if all the labelling said was "purple plant" same as
>> Morrisons
>> have a habit of labelling things as "Hardy perennial".
>
> Looks more like a bag of all-purpose compost to me.
> Janet G
Yes you are right---Sacha got it wrong and I was just humouring her:-)
Re: Flower Identity
>
> Yes you are right---Sacha got it wrong and I was just humouring her:-)
>
"Queen" Sacha got it wrong?
GOT IT WRONG????????????????????????????
Wash you mouth out
My God you will be condemned for this :-((
Say goodbye to your ISP connection :-(((
NOW watch the flack.
Michael Crowe FEP
A 'somebody'
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Re: Flower Identity
Mike, go boil yer head if you can find a pot big enough
Re: Flower Identity
"Kate Morgan" <katemorgan [at] btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ef51c20da4ee4b198971c [at] news.plus.net...
> Mike, go boil yer head if you can find a pot big enough
Feel better now you have that off your chest??
:-))
Jolly good :-))
Michael Crowe FEP
--
------------------------------------------------
Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association
www.rnshipmates.co.uk
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Re: Flower Identity
> > Mike, go boil yer head if you can find a pot big enough
>
>
> Feel better now you have that off your chest??
>
> :-))
>
> Jolly good :-))
>
> Michael Crowe FEP
>
Yes thank you sir she said
Re: Flower Identity
"Michael Crowe" <not [at] here.thanks> wrote in message
news:iY6dncp6QtAObhfZnZ2dnUVZ8t2dnZ2d [at] bt.com...
> >
>> Yes you are right---Sacha got it wrong and I was just humouring her:-)
>>
>
> "Queen" Sacha got it wrong?
>
> GOT IT WRONG????????????????????????????
>
> Wash you mouth out
>
> My God you will be condemned for this :-((
> Say goodbye to your ISP connection :-(((
>
> NOW watch the flack.
>
> Michael Crowe FEP
> A 'somebody'
>
>
> --
> ------------------------------------------------
> Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association
> www.rnshipmates.co.uk
> International Festival of the Sea 28th June - 1st July 2007
>
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