I put a greenhouse up this summer and am confused about a point and was
wondering if anyone could answer this one for me. I currently inflate the
greenhouse with air from inside the greenhouse but have been told I should
be drawing air in from the outside.

With drawing the air from the inside I am thinking that the bubble will be
warmer and give me better insulation but I am concerned with the issue of
water collecting in the bubble. With drawing air from the outside I am
thinking that the air will be a lot colder and thus not so good for my
orchids.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Dave (Ontario, Canada)

All the books say draw the air from the outside, every greenhouse I have
seen draws from the inside. The blowers sold for inflation are made to go
on the inside and use inside air. I have never had a problem and all my
greenhouse use inside air. If you are not having problems with water and
things growing between the layers, I would not worry about it.

Pat

"David Jewell" <d_jewell [at] sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:uUydf.8971$Tk1.173586 [at] news20.bellglobal.com...
>I put a greenhouse up this summer and am confused about a point and was
> wondering if anyone could answer this one for me. I currently inflate the
> greenhouse with air from inside the greenhouse but have been told I should
> be drawing air in from the outside.
>
> With drawing the air from the inside I am thinking that the bubble will be
> warmer and give me better insulation but I am concerned with the issue of
> water collecting in the bubble. With drawing air from the outside I am
> thinking that the air will be a lot colder and thus not so good for my
> orchids.
>
> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Dave (Ontario, Canada)
>
>
>

Pat thanks for the response, can I ask where you are from (aka do you have
the nasty cold freezie winter) I have had some water accumulate near the
ground in the bubble and thats what inspired my question.

Thanks

"Pat Brennan" <orchidsNOT [at] rica.net> wrote in message
news:11nece8hoifdba1 [at] corp.supernews.com...
> All the books say draw the air from the outside, every greenhouse I have
> seen draws from the inside. The blowers sold for inflation are made to go
> on the inside and use inside air. I have never had a problem and all my
> greenhouse use inside air. If you are not having problems with water and
> things growing between the layers, I would not worry about it.
>
> Pat
>
> "David Jewell" <d_jewell [at] sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:uUydf.8971$Tk1.173586 [at] news20.bellglobal.com...
> >I put a greenhouse up this summer and am confused about a point and was
> > wondering if anyone could answer this one for me. I currently inflate
the
> > greenhouse with air from inside the greenhouse but have been told I
should
> > be drawing air in from the outside.
> >
> > With drawing the air from the inside I am thinking that the bubble will
be
> > warmer and give me better insulation but I am concerned with the issue
of
> > water collecting in the bubble. With drawing air from the outside I am
> > thinking that the air will be a lot colder and thus not so good for my
> > orchids.
> >
> > Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Dave (Ontario, Canada)
> >
> >
> >
>
>

I am in Michigan (Southern Part) and use inside air. I have some water
accumulation during the fall and spring, but when the winter comes
around, much less. I get some ice that forms at the base of the
greenhouse between the layers of the plastic.

I have used outside air, and gotten exactly the same issue, and in the
summer had as much as 6 inches of water between the layers of plastic,
which caused me to add a drainage hose to each side of the greenhouse
(It can get very humid here).

I went back to inside air after 2 years of experimenting with outside.

My reasons are simple:
1) Inside air means that I know the humidity of the air between the
plastic
2) I know what might leak back into the greenhouse from a cut in the
plastic
3) I know what insects might get in from the air
4) When I get heavy snow, I can turn up the heat early and get the snow
to slide off the plastic, rather than have to let it sag to the inner
plastic to get warm enough to slide off
5) In an ice storm the air is warm enough between the two layers to keep
most of the ice from sticking, so it slides down and does not cut up my
plastic as it shatters in the wind

Doug

In article <c7Hdf.20$KP5.4706 [at] news20.bellglobal.com>,
"David Jewell" <d_jewell [at] sympatico.ca> wrote:

> Pat thanks for the response, can I ask where you are from (aka do you have
> the nasty cold freezie winter) I have had some water accumulate near the
> ground in the bubble and thats what inspired my question.
>
> Thanks
>
> "Pat Brennan" <orchidsNOT [at] rica.net> wrote in message
> news:11nece8hoifdba1 [at] corp.supernews.com...
> > All the books say draw the air from the outside, every greenhouse I have
> > seen draws from the inside. The blowers sold for inflation are made to go
> > on the inside and use inside air. I have never had a problem and all my
> > greenhouse use inside air. If you are not having problems with water and
> > things growing between the layers, I would not worry about it.
> >
> > Pat
> >
> > "David Jewell" <d_jewell [at] sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:uUydf.8971$Tk1.173586 [at] news20.bellglobal.com...
> > >I put a greenhouse up this summer and am confused about a point and was
> > > wondering if anyone could answer this one for me. I currently inflate
> the
> > > greenhouse with air from inside the greenhouse but have been told I
> should
> > > be drawing air in from the outside.
> > >
> > > With drawing the air from the inside I am thinking that the bubble will
> be
> > > warmer and give me better insulation but I am concerned with the issue
> of
> > > water collecting in the bubble. With drawing air from the outside I am
> > > thinking that the air will be a lot colder and thus not so good for my
> > > orchids.
> > >
> > > Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
> > >
> > > Dave (Ontario, Canada)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >

Dave,

The ideal is to have a totally-sealed, "dead" air space, as that is the best
insulation. Obviously we cannot do that, so the blower maintains the
pressure while the film and its seams leak ever-so-little. There should be
so little flow, that the source of the air makes little-to-no difference as
to the temperature in between. it will be determined by the inside- and
outside conditions, not the source of the air used for pressurization.

Outside air is preferred because it is drier than the moist air from the GH,
and that has two implications. One, dry air, being less dense, will be a
better insulator, and secondly, if you use the moist, interior air supply,
you will get more condensation in between the layers of plastic film, and
the accumulated water will actually reduce the dead air volume and the
accompanying insulation.

Like Pat, most of the inflation systems I've ever seen were interior, but in
the last poly film GH I had, I tried the external blower - protecting it in
a plastic, bottomless "box" - and was quite pleased. There was no
temperature problem, and MUCH less liquid in between the layers. (In the
previous GH, it built up as much as 9" deep!)
--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Artwork, Books and Lots of Free Info!


"David Jewell" <d_jewell [at] sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:uUydf.8971$Tk1.173586 [at] news20.bellglobal.com...
>I put a greenhouse up this summer and am confused about a point and was
> wondering if anyone could answer this one for me. I currently inflate the
> greenhouse with air from inside the greenhouse but have been told I should
> be drawing air in from the outside.
>
> With drawing the air from the inside I am thinking that the bubble will be
> warmer and give me better insulation but I am concerned with the issue of
> water collecting in the bubble. With drawing air from the outside I am
> thinking that the air will be a lot colder and thus not so good for my
> orchids.
>
> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Dave (Ontario, Canada)
>
>
>

David Jewell wrote:
> I put a greenhouse up this summer and am confused about a point and was
> wondering if anyone could answer this one for me. I currently inflate the
> greenhouse with air from inside the greenhouse but have been told I should
> be drawing air in from the outside.
>
> With drawing the air from the inside I am thinking that the bubble will be
> warmer and give me better insulation but I am concerned with the issue of
> water collecting in the bubble. With drawing air from the outside I am
> thinking that the air will be a lot colder and thus not so good for my
> orchids.
>
> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Dave (Ontario, Canada)

I don't have a greenhouse but I recently had a discussion with someone
who was having a problem with moisture and algae growth between the
layers. He was using inside air.
In the winter, the warm inside air will hold a lot more moisture than
the cold outside air. That moisture can condense when it is next to the
cold outer plastic. If your system is extremely air tight, you can use
outside air with almost no loss warmth because you are not actually
pumping much air in. You are only applying pressure to the air that is
always in there. If your system is leaky and you actually are pushing in
a lot of air, then inside air may be better. The air circulation from
the air actually moving through the layers will help keep moisture from
building up.
Obviously, either way will work.

Steve

Nothing is better than an answer that says there is really no hard and fast
right answer. Keep the answers coming. I will let you know when and if I
tear a hole through the outside to pump it in.

Dave

"Steve" <tlswilso [at] aol.com> wrote in message
news:Yradnc_Dbc-dw-renZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d [at] adelphia.com...
> David Jewell wrote:
> > I put a greenhouse up this summer and am confused about a point and was
> > wondering if anyone could answer this one for me. I currently inflate
the
> > greenhouse with air from inside the greenhouse but have been told I
should
> > be drawing air in from the outside.
> >
> > With drawing the air from the inside I am thinking that the bubble will
be
> > warmer and give me better insulation but I am concerned with the issue
of
> > water collecting in the bubble. With drawing air from the outside I am
> > thinking that the air will be a lot colder and thus not so good for my
> > orchids.
> >
> > Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Dave (Ontario, Canada)
>
> I don't have a greenhouse but I recently had a discussion with someone
> who was having a problem with moisture and algae growth between the
> layers. He was using inside air.
> In the winter, the warm inside air will hold a lot more moisture than
> the cold outside air. That moisture can condense when it is next to the
> cold outer plastic. If your system is extremely air tight, you can use
> outside air with almost no loss warmth because you are not actually
> pumping much air in. You are only applying pressure to the air that is
> always in there. If your system is leaky and you actually are pushing in
> a lot of air, then inside air may be better. The air circulation from
> the air actually moving through the layers will help keep moisture from
> building up.
> Obviously, either way will work.
>
> Steve