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I mailed the group last year about Norfolk Island Pines and the general =
conclusion is that they will not grow out of doors in the UK.
My pine is a beautiful specimen but at 2.4 metres is now brushing the =
conservatory roof.
What happens if you cut the growing tip off?
Regards
David T
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Re: norfolk island pine
oops sent the reply via e/mail here it is again for the group.
g'day david,
not the sort of plant to recommend for hot house or pot culture they
grow very large indeed, as with most pines if you lop the top off they
will grow more shoots that will in turn need lopping, and as with most
pines once they have been lopped they just seem to lose their appeal.
might be time to relegate this one to the compost heap and buy another
smaller one and start all over again, or grow something more suited to
your clime so you can plant it out in the garden.
snipped
With peace and brightest of blessings,
len
--
"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."
http://www.users.bigpond.com/gardenlen1
Re: norfolk island pine
I feared that might be the answer. I have two promising young lads one about
3ft and one 1ft tall.
The 2.4M specimen has served time as a backup Christmas tree and I shall try
to find a good home for it-a car showroom has been suggested. Failing that
I'll give it a go outside (we live in Devon) protect it with fleece in
winter and see what happens.
I tried the middle one out of doors last June and it was immediately
scorched by bright sunshine. It has greened up around the scorched area.
Thanks for your advice.
David T.
<gardenlen1 [at] bigpond.com> wrote in message
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> oops sent the reply via e/mail here it is again for the group.
>
> g'day david,
>
> not the sort of plant to recommend for hot house or pot culture they
> grow very large indeed, as with most pines if you lop the top off they
> will grow more shoots that will in turn need lopping, and as with most
> pines once they have been lopped they just seem to lose their appeal.
>
> might be time to relegate this one to the compost heap and buy another
> smaller one and start all over again, or grow something more suited to
> your clime so you can plant it out in the garden.
>
>
> snipped
> With peace and brightest of blessings,
>
> len
>
> --
> "Be Content With What You Have And
> May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
> A World That You May Not Understand."
>
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/gardenlen1
Re: norfolk island pine
<snip>
> >
> > not the sort of plant to recommend for hot house or pot culture they
> > grow very large indeed, as with most pines if you lop the top off they
> > will grow more shoots that will in turn need lopping, and as with most
> > pines once they have been lopped they just seem to lose their appeal.
> >
> > might be time to relegate this one to the compost heap and buy another
> > smaller one and start all over again,
I'm sorry but I don't understand why you would advise someone to
consider buying and growing another of the same plant that is clearly
unsuitable to their circumstances? So that it can be killed off
again?
> or grow something more suited to
> > your clime so you can plant it out in the garden.
> >
Now *that* does make sense.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
Re: norfolk island pine
Thank you for your concern Sacha, but it is not a serious problem.We were
very taken with the huge Norfolk Island pines when we visited New Zealand in
2002, and bought our tree for about £5 on impulse when we returned home-we
just happened to see it in a garden centre.
In New Zealand the Norfolk island Pine doubles indoors as a Christmas tree.
We've just grown sentimentally attached to this tree which had added about
2M in four years.
Apart from the two other small trees, we could try growing the lead shoot as
a cutting, and also plant the tree out of doors. £5 for an attractive
houseplant that earns its keep at Christmas and keeps for four years is not
too bad.
The tree is listed as a houseplant and apparently there are a number of
varieties-perhaps the others are less vigorous.
Regards
David T
"Sacha" <sachaH [at] garden506.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> <snip>
>> >
>> > not the sort of plant to recommend for hot house or pot culture they
>> > grow very large indeed, as with most pines if you lop the top off they
>> > will grow more shoots that will in turn need lopping, and as with most
>> > pines once they have been lopped they just seem to lose their appeal.
>> >
>> > might be time to relegate this one to the compost heap and buy another
>> > smaller one and start all over again,
>
> I'm sorry but I don't understand why you would advise someone to
> consider buying and growing another of the same plant that is clearly
> unsuitable to their circumstances? So that it can be killed off
> again?
>
>> or grow something more suited to
>> > your clime so you can plant it out in the garden.
>> >
>
> Now *that* does make sense.
>
> --
> Sacha
> www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
> South Devon
>
Re: norfolk island pine
On 25 Apr 2006 15:02:52 -0700, "Sacha" <sachaH [at] garden506.fsnet.co.uk>
wrote:
><snip>
>> >
>> snipped
>
>I'm sorry but I don't understand why you would advise someone to
>consider buying and growing another of the same plant that is clearly
>unsuitable to their circumstances? So that it can be killed off
>again?
>
sacha mine is not to wonder why but to do or die well something like
that, it all comes back to common sense and i'm not here to judge
others just to help as best i can and make broad suggestions. for me
as i live in suburbia trees like that aren't on my shopping list, as
they grow too large for my domain and don't serve too well as potted
specimens. and what i said is just about what a lot of people do it is
up to the recipient of the advice to decide that.
for me i would never put in a hot house just to grow things that don't
naturally grow where i live just doesn't seem sustainable to me but if
others want to do that then that is there business ok, hope i answered
your concerns "i am not her to judge others actions"
>> or grow something more suited to
>> > your clime so you can plant it out in the garden.
>> >
>
>Now *that* does make sense.
there you go then hey so your previuos paragraph may not ahve been
needed hey?????
With peace and brightest of blessings,
len
--
"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."
http://www.users.bigpond.com/gardenlen1
Re: norfolk island pine
g'day david,
the lisitng as a house plant is way off the mark for me but that is
what the nursery industry is like, they say anything to create sales
hey? these trees are very much outdoors specimens in full sun in the
right climate zone. not suggested as a garden plant in suburbia
either.
would suggest you do your research on other varities before buying so
you at least have some knowledge of the plants growing capacity and
conditions you may find they are all pretty much the same, but in your
case it probably served as a good cheap crissy tree hey?
snipped
With peace and brightest of blessings,
len
--
"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."
http://www.users.bigpond.com/gardenlen1
Re: norfolk island pine
g'day again david,
here is a link that may give you and others some insight about the
norfolk island pine, can't find any reference to there being different
plants as far as i know it is a single species plant they do say it is
not a true pine (i learnt something hey) and like lots of big trees if
they get damaged and grow new growths these growths are less stable
and tend to break off easily and could do lots of damage, anyhow you
can read that.
i did find one sight that dressed up the information to make it look
like the plant would be a good long term pot culture but you all know
now that, that isn't the case hey?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norfolk_Island_pine
len
snipped
With peace and brightest of blessings,
len
--
"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."
http://www.users.bigpond.com/gardenlen1
Re: norfolk island pine
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Re: norfolk island pine
Sacha <sachaH [at] garden506.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>I'm sorry but I don't understand why you would advise someone to
>consider buying and growing another of the same plant that is clearly
>unsuitable to their circumstances? So that it can be killed off again?
Isn't that what we do whenever we grow *anything* which is perennial but
can't survive a UK winter? ;-)
--
Kay
Re: norfolk island pine
K wrote:
> Sacha <sachaH [at] garden506.fsnet.co.uk> writes
> >I'm sorry but I don't understand why you would advise someone to
> >consider buying and growing another of the same plant that is clearly
> >unsuitable to their circumstances? So that it can be killed off again?
>
> Isn't that what we do whenever we grow *anything* which is perennial but
> can't survive a UK winter? ;-)
> --
> Kay
When it's a tree which grows to X feet and has outgrown a conservatory?
Hardly. That would be what WE do with e.g. Dahlis Imperialis not with
Dahlia Engelhard'ts Matador.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
Re: norfolk island pine
Gardenlen wrote:
>here is a link that may give you and others some insight about the
>norfolk island pine, can't find any reference to there being different
>plants as far as i know it is a single species plant they do say it is
>not a true pine (i learnt something hey)
'Norfolk Island Pine' is one of about about 15 valid species of
Araucaria - a genus of large growing, southern hemisphere, pine-like
conifers. Several are relatively well known - Araucaria araucana is
the 'Chilean Pine' or 'Monkey Puzzle' (large growing and very hardy),
Araucaria bidwillii is the 'Bunya Pine' from Australia growing even
larger at around 40+ metres and our old friend Araucaria heterophylla
(excelsa) - the more slender and elegant 'Norfolk Island Pine'. None
are true 'pines' in the strictest sense, but then many so-called
'pines' don't belong to the genus Pinus.
>and like lots of big trees if
>they get damaged and grow new growths these growths are less stable
>and tend to break off easily and could do lots of damage, anyhow you
>can read that.
Not necessarily. Pruning the tops out of trees that have strong apical
dominance and which naturally develop symetrical outlines does destroy
the overall effect. However, I've seen a Norfolk Pine that was cut
back to about 3 feet when it had threatened to touch the ceiling.
After several years' subsequent growth of 3 'leaders' with their
accompanying tiers of branches, it didn't look too bad at all. The
owner rooted the original top and had a nice new young plant as well.
>i did find one sight that dressed up the information to make it look
>like the plant would be a good long term pot culture but you all know
>now that, that isn't the case hey?
Well, Araucaria heterophylla (or A. excelsa as it was known in Victoria
times) was a very popular 'pot plant' and widely grown in homes and
conservatories throughout the country. Until it becomes too large, it
makes a very good indoor subject if given sufficient light. It barely
needs frost protection and so can be grown in an unheated greenhouse or
even in a very sheltered spot out of doors in the South West (of
England, Wales or Ireland). It is as good for long term pot culture as
Monstera or many of the Ficus and is far less demanding in terms of
heat.
Re: norfolk island pine
Sacha <sachaH [at] garden506.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>
>K wrote:
>> Sacha <sachaH [at] garden506.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>> >I'm sorry but I don't understand why you would advise someone to
>> >consider buying and growing another of the same plant that is clearly
>> >unsuitable to their circumstances? So that it can be killed off again?
>>
>> Isn't that what we do whenever we grow *anything* which is perennial but
>> can't survive a UK winter? ;-)
>When it's a tree which grows to X feet and has outgrown a conservatory?
> Hardly. That would be what WE do with e.g. Dahlis Imperialis not with
>Dahlia Engelhard'ts Matador.
I don't see the difference between terminating a plant's life because we
are growing it in a country which has winters too cold for it, or
perpetually cutting it back to 6ft when it's normally a forest tree (eg
a beech hedge), or growing something for a few years in a conservatory
although you know you'll eventually have to get rid of it when it's too
large.
--
Kay
Re: norfolk island pine
Thanks for the encouraging comments re outdoor or cutting back. I have not
yet decided what to do although the tree is now bending over at the ceiling.
I may plant it out of doors in a sheltered spot and be prepared to shroud it
when frost is forecast.
Protection from scorching in strong sunlight is also a necessity.
Regards
David T
"DavePoole Torquay" <daverpoole [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1146284558.785579.258780 [at] j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Gardenlen wrote:
>>here is a link that may give you and others some insight about the
>>norfolk island pine, can't find any reference to there being different
>>plants as far as i know it is a single species plant they do say it is
>>not a true pine (i learnt something hey)
>
> 'Norfolk Island Pine' is one of about about 15 valid species of
> Araucaria - a genus of large growing, southern hemisphere, pine-like
> conifers. Several are relatively well known - Araucaria araucana is
> the 'Chilean Pine' or 'Monkey Puzzle' (large growing and very hardy),
> Araucaria bidwillii is the 'Bunya Pine' from Australia growing even
> larger at around 40+ metres and our old friend Araucaria heterophylla
> (excelsa) - the more slender and elegant 'Norfolk Island Pine'. None
> are true 'pines' in the strictest sense, but then many so-called
> 'pines' don't belong to the genus Pinus.
>
>>and like lots of big trees if
>>they get damaged and grow new growths these growths are less stable
>>and tend to break off easily and could do lots of damage, anyhow you
>>can read that.
>
> Not necessarily. Pruning the tops out of trees that have strong apical
> dominance and which naturally develop symetrical outlines does destroy
> the overall effect. However, I've seen a Norfolk Pine that was cut
> back to about 3 feet when it had threatened to touch the ceiling.
> After several years' subsequent growth of 3 'leaders' with their
> accompanying tiers of branches, it didn't look too bad at all. The
> owner rooted the original top and had a nice new young plant as well.
>
>>i did find one sight that dressed up the information to make it look
>>like the plant would be a good long term pot culture but you all know
>>now that, that isn't the case hey?
>
> Well, Araucaria heterophylla (or A. excelsa as it was known in Victoria
> times) was a very popular 'pot plant' and widely grown in homes and
> conservatories throughout the country. Until it becomes too large, it
> makes a very good indoor subject if given sufficient light. It barely
> needs frost protection and so can be grown in an unheated greenhouse or
> even in a very sheltered spot out of doors in the South West (of
> England, Wales or Ireland). It is as good for long term pot culture as
> Monstera or many of the Ficus and is far less demanding in terms of
> heat.
>
Re: norfolk island pine
David, if you do decide to plant your Araucaria out, drape a light
shade cloth/net over it for a week. Then in week two, remove it in
late afternoon, replacing it in the morning. After that, the risk of
sun scorch will be almost nil and the worst you will see is a light
bronzing of the youngest shoots. Wind protection is important, since
the plant cannot withstand the full force of the bitter winds that have
come to characterise late winter in recent years.
Re: norfolk island pine
"david taylor" <davidtaylor1 [at] onetel.com> wrote in message
> Thanks for the encouraging comments re outdoor or cutting back. I
have not
> yet decided what to do although the tree is now bending over at the
ceiling.
> I may plant it out of doors in a sheltered spot and be prepared to
shroud it
> when frost is forecast.
> Protection from scorching in strong sunlight is also a necessity.
> Regards
> David T
Once acclimatised to the outdoors it may not need frost protection
depending on whether you have the true NIP or some other sort of
Araucaria. And once it is acclimatised I'd be quite surprised if it'd
need any protection from scorching in the sunlight of the UK.
And don't plant the thing too close to the house, these things can
grow huge in cold climates (again depending on the variety you have).
I've seen a number of hundred year Araucarias cracking stone walls in
cold climates because they were planted too close to the house.
Araucarias were much favoured by the 19th century gardeners in the
colonies of Australia and many an old homestead is marked by these
lovely trees touring up out of the garden - I've ehard it said that
they were used to act as markers for travellers who travelled long
distances between any signs of settlement.
Re: Norfolk Island Pine
> Thanks for the information Natalie. After posting I had done some
> researching of conditions with respect to our garden. We're resolved to
> give
> it a go on a sheltered southerly facing slope, with maybe close
> protection
> in winter.
> A significant issue is the cost when there is a significant risk of
> losing
> the tree
> Regards
> David T
>
> Saw one today growing just inside the entrance to the Glasshouse at
> RHS
> Wisley. It is about 8ft tall.
>
> Natalie
>
>
Living in the north of New Zealand I am familiar with the Norfolk
Pine(Agathis heterophylla). It is closely related to the NZ Kauri
Agathis australis.
There's a light hearted debate going on in New Zealand at the moment
that The Norfolk island Pine should be treated as a native here in New
Zealand as Norfolk island's flora is closer to NZ than Australia.
Norfolk Island also has Phormium or NZ Flax and a few Coprosmas and
Pittosporum.
Norfolk Pine is well established as an ornamental tree particularly
next to the Beach. It grows well in Wellington and they have become
part of the Wellington skyscape along Oriental Parade.
Children love to climb them as the regular branching makes for easy
climbing. Many a kiwikid has gone far too high, much to the concern of
their parents!
I would think that as Cordyline australis (Cabbage Tree) grows well in
Southern Britain then Norfolk Pine would like wise do well, however in
a more sandy,gravel, coastal spot.
check out my website
www.bushmansfriend.co.nz
--
bushman
Re: norfolk island pine
david taylor Wrote:
> Thanks for the encouraging comments re outdoor or cutting back. I have
> not
> yet decided what to do although the tree is now bending over at the
> ceiling.
> I may plant it out of doors in a sheltered spot and be prepared to
> shroud it
> when frost is forecast.
> Protection from scorching in strong sunlight is also a necessity.
> Regards
> David T
> "DavePoole Torquay" daverpoole [at] hotmail.com wrote in message
> news:1146284558.785579.258780 [at] j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Gardenlen wrote:
> here is a link that may give you and others some insight about the
> norfolk island pine, can't find any reference to there being different
> plants as far as i know it is a single species plant they do say it is
> not a true pine (i learnt something hey)
>
> 'Norfolk Island Pine' is one of about about 15 valid species of
> Araucaria - a genus of large growing, southern hemisphere, pine-like
> conifers. Several are relatively well known - Araucaria araucana is
> the 'Chilean Pine' or 'Monkey Puzzle' (large growing and very hardy),
> Araucaria bidwillii is the 'Bunya Pine' from Australia growing even
> larger at around 40+ metres and our old friend Araucaria heterophylla
> (excelsa) - the more slender and elegant 'Norfolk Island Pine'.
> None
> are true 'pines' in the strictest sense, but then many so-called
> 'pines' don't belong to the genus Pinus.
>
> and like lots of big trees if
> they get damaged and grow new growths these growths are less stable
> and tend to break off easily and could do lots of damage, anyhow you
> can read that.
>
> Not necessarily. Pruning the tops out of trees that have strong
> apical
> dominance and which naturally develop symetrical outlines does
> destroy
> the overall effect. However, I've seen a Norfolk Pine that was cut
> back to about 3 feet when it had threatened to touch the ceiling.
> After several years' subsequent growth of 3 'leaders' with their
> accompanying tiers of branches, it didn't look too bad at all. The
> owner rooted the original top and had a nice new young plant as well.
>
> i did find one sight that dressed up the information to make it look
> like the plant would be a good long term pot culture but you all know
> now that, that isn't the case hey?
>
> Well, Araucaria heterophylla (or A. excelsa as it was known in
> Victoria
> times) was a very popular 'pot plant' and widely grown in homes and
> conservatories throughout the country. Until it becomes too large,
> it
> makes a very good indoor subject if given sufficient light. It
> barely
> needs frost protection and so can be grown in an unheated greenhouse
> or
> even in a very sheltered spot out of doors in the South West (of
> England, Wales or Ireland). It is as good for long term pot culture
> as
> Monstera or many of the Ficus and is far less demanding in terms of
> heat.
>
Hi
I missed this thread and posted this to an earlier one
Living in the north of New Zealand I am familiar with the Norfolk
Pine(Agathis heterophylla). It is closely related to the NZ Kauri
Agathis australis.
There's a light hearted debate going on in New Zealand at the moment
that The Norfolk island Pine should be treated as a native here in New
Zealand as Norfolk island's flora is closer to NZ than Australia.
Norfolk Island also has Phormium or NZ Flax and a few Coprosmas and
Pittosporum.
Norfolk Pine is well established as an ornamental tree particularly
next to the Beach. It grows well in Wellington and they have become
part of the Wellington skyscape along Oriental Parade.
Children love to climb them as the regular branching makes for easy
climbing. Many a kiwikid has gone far too high, much to the concern of
their parents!
I would think that as Cordyline australis (Cabbage Tree) grows well in
Southern Britain then Norfolk Pine would like wise do well, however in
a more sandy,gravel, coastal spot.
check out my website
Tony
www.bushmansfriend.co.nz
--
bushman
Re: Norfolk Island Pine
bushman <bushman.2893k1 [at] gardenbanter.co.uk> writes
>
>> Thanks for the information Natalie. After posting I had done some
>> researching of conditions with respect to our garden. We're resolved
>>to
>>> give
>> it a go on a sheltered southerly facing slope, with maybe close
>>> protection
>> in winter.
>> A significant issue is the cost when there is a significant risk of
>>> losing
>> the tree
>> Regards
>> David T
>>
>> Saw one today growing just inside the entrance to the Glasshouse at
>>> RHS
>> Wisley. It is about 8ft tall.
>>
>> Natalie
>>
>>
>
>Living in the north of New Zealand I am familiar with the Norfolk
>Pine(Agathis heterophylla). It is closely related to the NZ Kauri
>Agathis australis.
>There's a light hearted debate going on in New Zealand at the moment
>that The Norfolk island Pine should be treated as a native here in New
>Zealand as Norfolk island's flora is closer to NZ than Australia.
>Norfolk Island also has Phormium or NZ Flax and a few Coprosmas and
>Pittosporum.
>Norfolk Pine is well established as an ornamental tree particularly
>next to the Beach. It grows well in Wellington and they have become
>part of the Wellington skyscape along Oriental Parade.
>Children love to climb them as the regular branching makes for easy
>climbing. Many a kiwikid has gone far too high, much to the concern of
>their parents!
>I would think that as Cordyline australis (Cabbage Tree) grows well in
>Southern Britain then Norfolk Pine would like wise do well, however in
>a more sandy,gravel, coastal spot.
>check out my website
>www.bushmansfriend.co.nz
Can someone update me n the taxonomy please? I know the Norfolk Island
Pine as Araucaria heterophylla. So is Agathis the new designation, an
older one, or something different altogether?
--
Kay
Re: norfolk island pine
"bushman" <bushman.2893k2 [at] gardenbanter.co.uk> wrote in message
news:bushman.2893k2 [at] gardenbanter.co.uk...
>
> david taylor Wrote:
>> Thanks for the encouraging comments re outdoor or cutting back. I have
>> not
>> yet decided what to do although the tree is now bending over at the
>> ceiling.
>> I may plant it out of doors in a sheltered spot and be prepared to
>> shroud it
>> when frost is forecast.
>> Protection from scorching in strong sunlight is also a necessity.
>> Regards
>> David T
>> "DavePoole Torquay" daverpoole [at] hotmail.com wrote in message
>> news:1146284558.785579.258780 [at] j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> Gardenlen wrote:
>> here is a link that may give you and others some insight about the
>> norfolk island pine, can't find any reference to there being different
>> plants as far as i know it is a single species plant they do say it is
>> not a true pine (i learnt something hey)
>>
>> 'Norfolk Island Pine' is one of about about 15 valid species of
>> Araucaria - a genus of large growing, southern hemisphere, pine-like
>> conifers. Several are relatively well known - Araucaria araucana is
>> the 'Chilean Pine' or 'Monkey Puzzle' (large growing and very hardy),
>> Araucaria bidwillii is the 'Bunya Pine' from Australia growing even
>> larger at around 40+ metres and our old friend Araucaria heterophylla
>> (excelsa) - the more slender and elegant 'Norfolk Island Pine'.
>> None
>> are true 'pines' in the strictest sense, but then many so-called
>> 'pines' don't belong to the genus Pinus.
>>
>> and like lots of big trees if
>> they get damaged and grow new growths these growths are less stable
>> and tend to break off easily and could do lots of damage, anyhow you
>> can read that.
>>
>> Not necessarily. Pruning the tops out of trees that have strong
>> apical
>> dominance and which naturally develop symetrical outlines does
>> destroy
>> the overall effect. However, I've seen a Norfolk Pine that was cut
>> back to about 3 feet when it had threatened to touch the ceiling.
>> After several years' subsequent growth of 3 'leaders' with their
>> accompanying tiers of branches, it didn't look too bad at all. The
>> owner rooted the original top and had a nice new young plant as well.
>>
>> i did find one sight that dressed up the information to make it look
>> like the plant would be a good long term pot culture but you all know
>> now that, that isn't the case hey?
>>
>> Well, Araucaria heterophylla (or A. excelsa as it was known in
>> Victoria
>> times) was a very popular 'pot plant' and widely grown in homes and
>> conservatories throughout the country. Until it becomes too large,
>> it
>> makes a very good indoor subject if given sufficient light. It
>> barely
>> needs frost protection and so can be grown in an unheated greenhouse
>> or
>> even in a very sheltered spot out of doors in the South West (of
>> England, Wales or Ireland). It is as good for long term pot culture
>> as
>> Monstera or many of the Ficus and is far less demanding in terms of
>> heat.
>>
>
> Hi
> I missed this thread and posted this to an earlier one
>
> Living in the north of New Zealand I am familiar with the Norfolk
> Pine(Agathis heterophylla). It is closely related to the NZ Kauri
> Agathis australis.
> There's a light hearted debate going on in New Zealand at the moment
> that The Norfolk island Pine should be treated as a native here in New
> Zealand as Norfolk island's flora is closer to NZ than Australia.
> Norfolk Island also has Phormium or NZ Flax and a few Coprosmas and
> Pittosporum.
> Norfolk Pine is well established as an ornamental tree particularly
> next to the Beach. It grows well in Wellington and they have become
> part of the Wellington skyscape along Oriental Parade.
> Children love to climb them as the regular branching makes for easy
> climbing. Many a kiwikid has gone far too high, much to the concern of
> their parents!
> I would think that as Cordyline australis (Cabbage Tree) grows well in
> Southern Britain then Norfolk Pine would like wise do well, however in
> a more sandy,gravel, coastal spot.
> check out my website
> Tony
> www.bushmansfriend.co.nz
>
>About a week ago I put the 8ft tree out, in a sheltered spot with the
>weather forecast promising a few days of cloudy weather. Two days later we
>had heavy rain and violent winds-very unusual for May. I had left the tree
>in its pot, which I had sunk into the ground. I am somewhat concerned about
>drainage, and the stem has taken on a permanent bend. I may try to
>straighten it out later in the summer if it survives, but cannot do too
>much at present as I am due for an operation myself tommorrow and shall be
>incapacitated for a few weeks.
Regards
David T
Re: Norfolk Island Pine
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Re: Norfolk Island Pine
K Wrote:
>
> Living in the north of New Zealand I am familiar with the Norfolk
> Pine(Agathis heterophylla). It is closely related to the NZ Kauri
> Agathis australis.
> [snip]
> I would think that as Cordyline australis (Cabbage Tree) grows well in
> Southern Britain then Norfolk Pine would like wise do well, however in
> a more sandy,gravel, coastal spot.
> check out my website
> www.bushmansfriend.co.nz[/color]
>
>
> Can someone update me n the taxonomy please? I know the Norfolk Island
> Pine as Araucaria heterophylla. So is Agathis the new designation, an
> older one, or something different altogether?
> --
> Kay
It is Araucaria heterophylla, and thus only a second cousin to the
Kauri (Agathis australis), which is in another group in the
Araucariaceae.
He also has it wrong in thinking that because I can grow a Cordyline in
many places in Britain we can also grow Norfolk Island Pine here. We
can't, outside the Scillies.
--
echinosum
Re: Norfolk Island Pine
On Tue, 23 May 2006 17:15:39 +0100, Janet Baraclough
<janet.and.john [at] zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>The message <bushman.2893k1 [at] gardenbanter.co.uk>
>from bushman <bushman.2893k1 [at] gardenbanter.co.uk> contains these words:
>
>> I would think that as Cordyline australis (Cabbage Tree) grows well in
>> Southern Britain then Norfolk Pine would like wise do well, however in
>> a more sandy,gravel, coastal spot.
>
> Cordyline does well as an open garden plant much further north, all
>up the west coast of Scotland. Not least because given a mild winter
>climate (just a few degrees of frost), it's very tolerant of high wind
>and high rainfall. I can easily grow many NZ plants outside here but not
>Norfolk Pine.
>
>Norfolk Pine hasn't got nearly such a wide range as an outdoor survivor
>in the UK.
>
> Janet. (Isle of Arran, west coast of Scotland).
Agreed. IIRC they have a few on Tresco, and possibly in one or two of
the very sheltered NT gardens in west Cornwall (Glendurgan?), but I
wouldn't even consider it in my garden also in west Cornwall.
--
Chris
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