As some of you know, I edit our local society's newsletter. So far, we've
been mailing it, but I want to start emailing it where possible.

Frank is sitting next to me looking at prices for the Adobe pdf program, and
ran across the following:

http://www.win2pdf.com/products/win2pdf.htm

http://www.docudesk.com/deskpdf_professional_intro2.htm?sour ce=primoswflp&gclid=CIjgnZ6LvIQCFRe9SgodRBrmAQ

There are others as well. Does anyone know anything about these knock-off
programs (if that's what they are-perhaps I'm mislabeling them)? Will Adobe
reader work with them, and are they worth trying?

Thanks!

Diana

On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:13:52 -0400 in <x8Q1g.11473$iB2.5758 [at] bignews4.bellsouth.net> Diana Kulaga <diandfrankcat [at] bellsouth.net> wrote:
> As some of you know, I edit our local society's newsletter. So far, we've
> been mailing it, but I want to start emailing it where possible.
>
> Frank is sitting next to me looking at prices for the Adobe pdf program, and
> ran across the following:
>
> http://www.win2pdf.com/products/win2pdf.htm
>
> http://www.docudesk.com/deskpdf_professional_intro2.htm?sour ce=primoswflp&gclid=CIjgnZ6LvIQCFRe9SgodRBrmAQ
>
> There are others as well. Does anyone know anything about these knock-off
> programs (if that's what they are-perhaps I'm mislabeling them)? Will Adobe
> reader work with them, and are they worth trying?

Okay two parts to this. Answers to your questions, and queries
about content.

Answers:
If anything the PDFs created by 3rd party software are likely to be
readable in more versions of acroread than PDFs created by the latest
and greatest acrobat distiller.

If you're just looking for quick and cheap (FREE!), Ghostscript's
ps2pdf does a great job if you setup a generic postscript printer
and print to file.
As memory serves ghostscript is available for cygwin
http://www.cygwin.com/

I'd also suggest open office as it as the option to export as PDF,
but that PFD generation code would cause acroread to cough back
in November. Hence the reason i do the print postscript to file and
convert :-).

Content questions:
I admit I'm in the minority on this one but...
I find PDF to be a significant impediment to actually getting to
the content. If I'm receiving something like a newsletter online
I want to be able to read it with pretty minimal resources.
As a rule, if I wanted to see the effort that went into the layout,
I'd get the dead tree version.
Have you looked at effective ways to reduce the newsletter to
plain ascii text and put the pictures on the web somewhere.


--
Chris Dukes
< tajwerk> this job isnt bad though. Today we had free breakfast and
B0rg implants.

Diana Kulaga wrote:
> There are others as well. Does anyone know anything about these knock-off
> programs (if that's what they are-perhaps I'm mislabeling them)? Will Adobe
> reader work with them, and are they worth trying?

We've been using the freeware version of this one for our society
newsletter this year and have been very happy with it:

http://www.cutepdf.com/

It has a great name, too! :-)

John

Wow, great information! Thanks, guys. Chris, we're going to have a web site
in the not too distant future. At that time, I can post the newsletter there
without using pdf. I agree with your assessment. Of course, there are plenty
of free photo sites that I could link to. But for starters, I want to keep
things as simple as possible. Not all of our members are quick on the draw,
LOL!

John, could you pm me that newsletter? I'd like to see how you folks have it
formatted. If you don't mind, you can send it to me at di and frank at
bellsouth dot net.

Thanks to you both!

Diana

I can't imagine trying to create another version of the newsletter for the
web site unless there was really a lot of demand for it. Making one version
takes long enough. Everyone can read pdf files, even if the latest versions
of the reader are much bigger and slower than they should be (I'm afraid to
even update it these days in case they make it even worse.)
-danny

"Diana Kulaga" <diandfrankcat [at] bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:CqS1g.5118$MM6.121 [at] bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> Wow, great information! Thanks, guys. Chris, we're going to have a web
> site in the not too distant future. At that time, I can post the
> newsletter there without using pdf. I agree with your assessment. Of
> course, there are plenty of free photo sites that I could link to. But for
> starters, I want to keep things as simple as possible. Not all of our
> members are quick on the draw, LOL!
>
> John, could you pm me that newsletter? I'd like to see how you folks have
> it formatted. If you don't mind, you can send it to me at di and frank at
> bellsouth dot net.
>
> Thanks to you both!
>
> Diana
>

I don't think I was clear, Danny. To begin with, there will only be one
version. Well, there will always be the print version that gets mailed. A
lot of our older members don't go on line at all, and some of those who do
still have dial up. For them, sending the newsletter via email is not an
option. For now, once I get this together, I will email a pdf file to those
who can receive it, and the rest will get pulp. Down the line, who knows?

You're right, though. It is enough to do *one* newsletter, LOL!

Diana

"danny" <foo [at] notbar.net> wrote in message
news:Q%U1g.11546$iB2.2139 [at] bignews4.bellsouth.net...
>I can't imagine trying to create another version of the newsletter for the
>web site unless there was really a lot of demand for it. Making one
>version takes long enough. Everyone can read pdf files, even if the latest
>versions of the reader are much bigger and slower than they should be (I'm
>afraid to even update it these days in case they make it even worse.)
> -danny
>
> "Diana Kulaga" <diandfrankcat [at] bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:CqS1g.5118$MM6.121 [at] bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>> Wow, great information! Thanks, guys. Chris, we're going to have a web
>> site in the not too distant future. At that time, I can post the
>> newsletter there without using pdf. I agree with your assessment. Of
>> course, there are plenty of free photo sites that I could link to. But
>> for starters, I want to keep things as simple as possible. Not all of our
>> members are quick on the draw, LOL!
>>
>> John, could you pm me that newsletter? I'd like to see how you folks have
>> it formatted. If you don't mind, you can send it to me at di and frank at
>> bellsouth dot net.
>>
>> Thanks to you both!
>>
>> Diana
>>
>
>

Diana Kulaga wrote:
>I don't think I was clear, Danny. To begin with, there will only be one
>version. Well, there will always be the print version that gets mailed. A
>lot of our older members don't go on line at all, and some of those who do
>still have dial up. For them, sending the newsletter via email is not an
>option. For now, once I get this together, I will email a pdf file to those
>who can receive it, and the rest will get pulp. Down the line, who knows?
>
>You're right, though. It is enough to do *one* newsletter, LOL!

Diana,
I can't help you at all with you pdf enquiry but just from an emailed
society journal point of view, my OS gave members an option of an
emailed pdf journal a couple of years ago and hasn't really looked
back. There were of course perks to those who get the online copy, ie
colour vs black & white photos, receiving the journal 1-2 weeks earlier
(mailout journals need extra time for printing and posting) and email
membership fees were lower because they didn't have to pay for
printing and postage. There are always people who will want a hard copy
but there has been a lot of support for an emailed pdf copy and a lot
of the older members have been very willing to jump on board. As far as
the extra work for producing a pdf journal our editor creates the
journal as a pdf to start with and sends this to the printer. While
some fine-tuning needs to go into the converting the colour photo's
into grey scale it's much easier than creating a pdf from the
mail-out journal just for the email members. You might be surprised how
much support you get for an emailed journal even from those with
dial-up.
Andrew

I have been doing society newsletters for many years and I just produce
the newsletter in Word (because I have it). Print this and send to the
printers for the paper copies. To produce the PDF, I use PDFCreator
(http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator), a freeware print driver
which creates PDF files. ie. print from any application to this windows
Print driver and it creates a PDF file. It can't create all the fancy
links, etc that the full Adobe product can do, (not that you need this
for a newsletter) but it creates a PDF file for newsletters perfectly
and so easily. Check out PDFCreator. It is free (opensource) and works
perfectly for me, and I suspect would meet your needs.

If you haven't checked out sourceforge (www.sourceforge.net), check it
out as it has heaps of great freeware (open source).

Graham Corbin

> Diana Kulaga wrote:
> >I don't think I was clear, Danny. To begin with, there will only be one
> >version. Well, there will always be the print version that gets mailed. A
> >lot of our older members don't go on line at all, and some of those who do
> >still have dial up. For them, sending the newsletter via email is not an
> >option. For now, once I get this together, I will email a pdf file to those
> >who can receive it, and the rest will get pulp. Down the line, who knows?
> >
> >You're right, though. It is enough to do *one* newsletter, LOL!
>
> Diana,
> I can't help you at all with you pdf enquiry but just from an emailed
> society journal point of view, my OS gave members an option of an
> emailed pdf journal a couple of years ago and hasn't really looked
> back. There were of course perks to those who get the online copy, ie
> colour vs black & white photos, receiving the journal 1-2 weeks earlier
> (mailout journals need extra time for printing and posting) and email
> membership fees were lower because they didn't have to pay for
> printing and postage. There are always people who will want a hard copy
> but there has been a lot of support for an emailed pdf copy and a lot
> of the older members have been very willing to jump on board. As far as
> the extra work for producing a pdf journal our editor creates the
> journal as a pdf to start with and sends this to the printer. While
> some fine-tuning needs to go into the converting the colour photo's
> into grey scale it's much easier than creating a pdf from the
> mail-out journal just for the email members. You might be surprised how
> much support you get for an emailed journal even from those with
> dial-up.
> Andrew
>
>

On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:21:18 +1000, Graham Corbin
<Graham.N.Corbin [at] nospam.googlemail.com> wrote:

>I have been doing society newsletters for many years and I just produce
>the newsletter in Word (because I have it). Print this and send to the
>printers for the paper copies. To produce the PDF, I use PDFCreator
>(http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator), a freeware print driver
>which creates PDF files. ie. print from any application to this windows
>Print driver and it creates a PDF file. It can't create all the fancy
>links, etc that the full Adobe product can do, (not that you need this
>for a newsletter) but it creates a PDF file for newsletters perfectly
>and so easily. Check out PDFCreator. It is free (opensource) and works
>perfectly for me, and I suspect would meet your needs.
>
>If you haven't checked out sourceforge (www.sourceforge.net), check it
>out as it has heaps of great freeware (open source).
>
>Graham Corbin
>
>> Diana Kulaga wrote:
>> >I don't think I was clear, Danny. To begin with, there will only be one
>> >version. Well, there will always be the print version that gets mailed. A
>> >lot of our older members don't go on line at all, and some of those who do
>> >still have dial up. For them, sending the newsletter via email is not an
>> >option. For now, once I get this together, I will email a pdf file to those
>> >who can receive it, and the rest will get pulp. Down the line, who knows?
>> >
>> >You're right, though. It is enough to do *one* newsletter, LOL!
>>
>> Diana,
>> I can't help you at all with you pdf enquiry but just from an emailed
>> society journal point of view, my OS gave members an option of an
>> emailed pdf journal a couple of years ago and hasn't really looked
>> back. There were of course perks to those who get the online copy, ie
>> colour vs black & white photos, receiving the journal 1-2 weeks earlier
>> (mailout journals need extra time for printing and posting) and email
>> membership fees were lower because they didn't have to pay for
>> printing and postage. There are always people who will want a hard copy
>> but there has been a lot of support for an emailed pdf copy and a lot
>> of the older members have been very willing to jump on board. As far as
>> the extra work for producing a pdf journal our editor creates the
>> journal as a pdf to start with and sends this to the printer. While
>> some fine-tuning needs to go into the converting the colour photo's
>> into grey scale it's much easier than creating a pdf from the
>> mail-out journal just for the email members. You might be surprised how
>> much support you get for an emailed journal even from those with
>> dial-up.
>> Andrew
>>
We just had this discussion at the last Board meeting. Our board
looked at a smaller dysfunctional group and said we can not get rid of
our hard copy and bulk mail permit because the society falls apart
with email news. We already have a summery on line in the web site.

I thought it was a great way to save money. I belong to a
professional society that uses one all the time. Our newsletter
creator sends a pdf file to the printer now to get the news published.
I would like to hear more about successful pdf news from groups who
actually do it. I wanted to do a 3 tier set. Publish and mail first
class for the few who do not go on line, use the web site to publish a
copy for those who don't want to get email, but do go online and pdf
it to the rest of us. I figured with postcards or notice emails we
could help move people to web site reading and pdf news.

How did the society make the switch?

Part of our problem is an older member gets the newsletter, stamps and
labels it before he delivers it to the post office. They don't want
to insult him, and they don't often have to pay postage. Only the
bulk permit.


SuE
http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/main.php

In article <x8Q1g.11473$iB2.5758 [at] bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
diandfrankcat [at] bellsouth.net says...
~As some of you know, I edit our local society's newsletter. So far, we've
~been mailing it, but I want to start emailing it where possible.
~
~Frank is sitting next to me looking at prices for the Adobe pdf program, and
~ran across the following:
~
~http://www.win2pdf.com/products/win2pdf.htm
~
~http://www.docudesk.com/deskpdf_professional_intro2.htm?sou rce=primoswflp&gclid=CIjgnZ6LvIQCFRe9SgodRBrmAQ
~
~There are others as well. Does anyone know anything about these knock-off
~programs (if that's what they are-perhaps I'm mislabeling them)? Will Adobe
~reader work with them, and are they worth trying?
~
~Thanks!
~
~Diana
~
~
~
I use Ghostscript for our village newspaper and it works fine. Just save
to file as Postscript, then convert to PDF. It sounds like extra work, but
it is only a minute or two.
--
--
Reka

This is LIFE! It's not a rehearsal. Don't miss it!
http://www.rolbox.it/hukari/index.html

On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:13:52 -0400, "Diana Kulaga" <diandfrankcat [at] bellsouth.net>
wrote:

>As some of you know, I edit our local society's newsletter. So far, we've
>been mailing it, but I want to start emailing it where possible.
>
>Frank is sitting next to me looking at prices for the Adobe pdf program, and
>ran across the following:
>
>http://www.win2pdf.com/products/win2pdf.htm
>
> http://www.docudesk.com/deskpdf_professional_intro2.htm?sour ce=primoswflp&gclid=CIjgnZ6LvIQCFRe9SgodRBrmAQ
>
>There are others as well. Does anyone know anything about these knock-off
>programs (if that's what they are-perhaps I'm mislabeling them)? Will Adobe
>reader work with them, and are they worth trying?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Diana
>


I know Word is the de facto standard word processor because it's so very widely
used. I use Word Perfect v 12 because I like the Corel Office applications. The
point is, WP 12 will save in many other formats, including most Word formats and
also pdf format. 'Course, you've got to buy it first :-(
Dave Gillingham
------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------
To email me remove the .private from my email address.

A little over half of our society gets it via email, the rest get a printed
copy. One person just downloads it off the web. It's definitely a bit
cheaper for the society to do email.
I also use Word and convert to pdf. We spent the money for the Adobe
product a couple years ago. We've also been posting it on the web for about
two years now. The web site has the same pdf file that I send to the
printer and email to everyone else. We don't bother with a bulk permit, we
just do regular first class postage.
-danny

Dave I'm with you on WordPerfect - a very powerful tool.

John



"Dave Gillingham" <dewg [at] private.optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:ogch42tgb3edetvkb4o9cojth50i6lefo3 [at] 4ax.com...
> On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:13:52 -0400, "Diana Kulaga"
> <diandfrankcat [at] bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
>
>>As some of you know, I edit our local society's newsletter. So far, we've
>>been mailing it, but I want to start emailing it where possible.
>>
>>Frank is sitting next to me looking at prices for the Adobe pdf program,
>>and
>>ran across the following:
>>
>>http://www.win2pdf.com/products/win2pdf.htm
>>
>> http://www.docudesk.com/deskpdf_professional_intro2.htm?sour ce=primoswflp&gclid=CIjgnZ6LvIQCFRe9SgodRBrmAQ
>>
>>There are others as well. Does anyone know anything about these knock-off
>>programs (if that's what they are-perhaps I'm mislabeling them)? Will
>>Adobe
>>reader work with them, and are they worth trying?
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>Diana
>>
>
>
> I know Word is the de facto standard word processor because it's so very
> widely
> used. I use Word Perfect v 12 because I like the Corel Office
> applications. The
> point is, WP 12 will save in many other formats, including most Word
> formats and
> also pdf format. 'Course, you've got to buy it first :-(
> Dave Gillingham
> ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------
> To email me remove the .private from my email address.

"danny" <foo [at] notbar.net> wrote in message
news:OH42g.37922$Jk3.31060 [at] bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>A little over half of our society gets it via email, the rest get a printed
>copy. One person just downloads it off the web. It's definitely a bit
>cheaper for the society to do email.
> I also use Word and convert to pdf. We spent the money for the Adobe
> product a couple years ago. We've also been posting it on the web for
> about two years now. The web site has the same pdf file that I send to
> the printer and email to everyone else. We don't bother with a bulk
> permit, we just do regular first class postage.
> -danny

We email a .pdf and also put it on the webpage, as well as the hard copy
mailed to those who don't have email. http://www.dvos.org Our membership
chair just collected everyone's email addresses and the newsletter editor
started sending it out. No big thing. But then the board discusses a lot
of stuff via email, so we were all on board with electronic communications
already.

The advantage is you get more photos, and no worries about page count.

Plus, SuE, I'll bet if you ask that person's wife she'll tell you he
grouses about the chore of mailing the newsletter every month, but he feels
a responsibility to the society. *G*

K Barrett

Andrew,

I broached the subject at the last meeting and encountered no resistance at
all. Of course, I began by assuring the group that those who do not go on
line would continue to receive their newsletters as usual. Aside from the
ease of emailing instead of folding, stamping, etc, we are already doing
full color, so emailing would save us quite a lot. Our membership is
growing, and dues don't pay for the cost of printing, etc.

Thanks so much for the input!

Diana

Thanks, Graham!

Diana

> Part of our problem is an older member gets the newsletter, stamps and
> labels it before he delivers it to the post office. They don't want
> to insult him, and they don't often have to pay postage. Only the
> bulk permit.<

The gal who used to do our stamping and such just moved; another member
volunteered, but I'm sure she won't be insulted in the least if she has less
to do, LOL!

Diana

On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:46:28 -0400 in <CqS1g.5118$MM6.121 [at] bignews3.bellsouth.net> Diana Kulaga <diandfrankcat [at] bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Wow, great information! Thanks, guys. Chris, we're going to have a web site
> in the not too distant future. At that time, I can post the newsletter there
> without using pdf. I agree with your assessment. Of course, there are plenty
> of free photo sites that I could link to. But for starters, I want to keep
> things as simple as possible. Not all of our members are quick on the draw,
> LOL!

For people that aren't as quick on the draw there is the
MIME alternative foo.
(Email ends up going out with a HTML version and a text version.
Those that use HTMLized mail can go clicky clicky... or just
have the pictures show up if the photo site doesn't pay
attention to referrer. Neanderthals like me can dingus click or
copy and paste...)


--
Chris Dukes
< tajwerk> this job isnt bad though. Today we had free breakfast and
B0rg implants.

>We don't bother with a bulk permit, we just do regular first class
>postage.<

That brings up another question, about federal non-profit status, but I'll
start another thread about that........

Diana

I have both WP and MS Word, but I use Word because I'm familiar with it. For
the newsletter, however, I use Publisher. When I took over the job it was
sudden, and I didn't have time to create a new format, so I just went with
what was done before. I've now changed things substantially, of course.

Diana

I just finished that for the new center in Sacramento. Whatever you do or
don't do, never not take your tax attorney's advice. They went to college
for 3 years learning how to put people in their places, so their verbal
skills are razor sharp and their wits keener than Perry Mason's and even a
kindly friend will belittle you incessantly for not doing what they told you
to do. Especially when they tell you for free.

[Vulcan mind meld]: Remember! [enter]

K Barrett

"Diana Kulaga" <diandfrankcat [at] bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:9t62g.11534$Kn4.6167 [at] bignews2.bellsouth.net...
> >We don't bother with a bulk permit, we just do regular first class
> >postage.<
>
> That brings up another question, about federal non-profit status, but I'll
> start another thread about that........
>
> Diana
>

On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:01:27 -0400, "Diana Kulaga"
<diandfrankcat [at] bellsouth.net> wrote:

>>We don't bother with a bulk permit, we just do regular first class
>>postage.<
>
>That brings up another question, about federal non-profit status, but I'll
>start another thread about that........
>
>Diana
>

the law actually says if you are affiliated with AOS you are N/P.
for tax. 501 -- education... I have to look up the section.
SuE
http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/main.php

> the law actually says if you are affiliated with AOS you are N/P.
> for tax. 501 -- education... I have to look up the section.<

What we're concerned about is not so much sales tax. We are going to need to
do some fund raising if we want to participate in a planned Botanical Garden
in Port St. Lucie. There are plenty of builders who would donate to the
effort, but they would want to take the deduction. We have N/P status for
FL, but not Federally.

All info greatly appreciated! Frank has been researching it, too.

Diana

danny wrote:
> A little over half of our society gets it via email, the rest get a printed
> copy. One person just downloads it off the web. It's definitely a bit
> cheaper for the society to do email.
> I also use Word and convert to pdf. We spent the money for the Adobe
> product a couple years ago. We've also been posting it on the web for about
> two years now. The web site has the same pdf file that I send to the
> printer and email to everyone else. We don't bother with a bulk permit, we
> just do regular first class postage.
> -danny


I will not say that I didn't realize how lucky I am here, because the
thought has crossed my mind. We don't have a news letter in our club but
I do send out reminders each month and sometimes for other club related
events. I'm lucky because 100% of our group uses e-mail! We have never
had a single member that didn't use e-mail and nothing has ever been
mailed with actual postage.
How can that be?
1 We are a small group. The e-mail goes out to 20 people.
2 We are new. The Adirondack Orchid Society (AOS for short!) has been in
existence for 14 months.
3 Pure dumb luck that nobody showed up without an e-mail address.

Steve

That certainly makes it easier. Our society is almost 60 years old, and we
recently had someone rejoin who was society president in 1978. There are a
little over 100 members. We have a few members that just don't use email.
Most of the new members get the newsletter via email.
-danny

> I will not say that I didn't realize how lucky I am here, because the
> thought has crossed my mind. We don't have a news letter in our club but I
> do send out reminders each month and sometimes for other club related
> events. I'm lucky because 100% of our group uses e-mail! We have never had
> a single member that didn't use e-mail and nothing has ever been mailed
> with actual postage.
> How can that be?
> 1 We are a small group. The e-mail goes out to 20 people.
> 2 We are new. The Adirondack Orchid Society (AOS for short!) has been in
> existence for 14 months.
> 3 Pure dumb luck that nobody showed up without an e-mail address.
>
> Steve

We have the same situation as Danny. We're more than 20 years old, and have
around 130 names on our N/L list. A fair number are founding members (though
that number naturally is dwindling), and don't even think about computers.
New people coming in (and we are getting lots of them) pretty much
universally have high speed connections.

Diana

"danny" <foo [at] notbar.net> wrote in message
news:ODh2g.11828$iB2.9991 [at] bignews4.bellsouth.net...
> That certainly makes it easier. Our society is almost 60 years old, and
> we recently had someone rejoin who was society president in 1978. There
> are a little over 100 members. We have a few members that just don't use
> email. Most of the new members get the newsletter via email.
> -danny
>
>> I will not say that I didn't realize how lucky I am here, because the
>> thought has crossed my mind. We don't have a news letter in our club but
>> I do send out reminders each month and sometimes for other club related
>> events. I'm lucky because 100% of our group uses e-mail! We have never
>> had a single member that didn't use e-mail and nothing has ever been
>> mailed with actual postage.
>> How can that be?
>> 1 We are a small group. The e-mail goes out to 20 people.
>> 2 We are new. The Adirondack Orchid Society (AOS for short!) has been in
>> existence for 14 months.
>> 3 Pure dumb luck that nobody showed up without an e-mail address.
>>
>> Steve
>
>

On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:54:51 -0400, "Diana Kulaga"
<diandfrankcat [at] bellsouth.net> wrote:

>Andrew,
>
>I broached the subject at the last meeting and encountered no resistance at
>all. Of course, I began by assuring the group that those who do not go on
>line would continue to receive their newsletters as usual. Aside from the
>ease of emailing instead of folding, stamping, etc, we are already doing
>full color, so emailing would save us quite a lot. Our membership is
>growing, and dues don't pay for the cost of printing, etc.
>
>Thanks so much for the input!
>
>Diana
>

You can apply as 501(c)3 - Education
501(C)5 Horticultural Organization.

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p557.pdf
This is the booklet from the IRS that has the info. You need bi-laws.
You need controls so that funds raised are not going into the pockets
of the 'board' unnecessarily... OR it is not a 'private foundation to
raise money for its members' type thing. There is a requirement that
you have a legal form (corporation, trust, or association.)
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p4220.pdf
This is another how to booklet.
SuE
http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/main.php

Thanks much, Sue!

Diana

"Susan Erickson" <sue [at] evilsoft.org> wrote in message
news:916o421411hrlmkkbc9sf6mmeh3k7naoq7 [at] 4ax.com...
> On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:54:51 -0400, "Diana Kulaga"
> <diandfrankcat [at] bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>>Andrew,
>>
>>I broached the subject at the last meeting and encountered no resistance
>>at
>>all. Of course, I began by assuring the group that those who do not go on
>>line would continue to receive their newsletters as usual. Aside from the
>>ease of emailing instead of folding, stamping, etc, we are already doing
>>full color, so emailing would save us quite a lot. Our membership is
>>growing, and dues don't pay for the cost of printing, etc.
>>
>>Thanks so much for the input!
>>
>>Diana
>>
>
> You can apply as 501(c)3 - Education
> 501(C)5 Horticultural Organization.
>
> http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p557.pdf
> This is the booklet from the IRS that has the info. You need bi-laws.
> You need controls so that funds raised are not going into the pockets
> of the 'board' unnecessarily... OR it is not a 'private foundation to
> raise money for its members' type thing. There is a requirement that
> you have a legal form (corporation, trust, or association.)
> http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p4220.pdf
> This is another how to booklet.
> SuE
> http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/main.php

"Diana Kulaga" <diandfrankcat [at] bellsouth.net> wrote in
news:x8Q1g.11473$iB2.5758 [at] bignews4.bellsouth.net:

> As some of you know, I edit our local society's newsletter. So far,
> we've been mailing it, but I want to start emailing it where possible.
>
> Frank is sitting next to me looking at prices for the Adobe pdf
> program, and ran across the following:
>
> http://www.win2pdf.com/products/win2pdf.htm
>
> http://www.docudesk.com/deskpdf_professional_intro2.htm?sour ce=primoswf
> lp&gclid=CIjgnZ6LvIQCFRe9SgodRBrmAQ
>
> There are others as well. Does anyone know anything about these
> knock-off programs (if that's what they are-perhaps I'm mislabeling
> them)? Will Adobe reader work with them, and are they worth trying?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Diana
>
>

Diana,

I use PDF995 (www.pdf995.com) to print documents (from any program with a
"Print" command) to .pdf format. It's free to try, $9.95 to remove the nag
screen that pops up when you print. I tried cutePDF before, and I had some
problems with formatting in the .pdf, I haven't had any problems with
PDF995.

Our newsletter editor creates 3 versions of our newsletter - the first
version he creates in his word processor (Microsoft Works), then saves as
HTML. This version is e-mailed to our members with e-mail accounts. He then
re-formats a copy to remove hyperlinks and e-mail links, then prints that
verson for the few members who receive hard copy newsletters. The third
version is edited to remove some personal (phone numbers, addresses, e-mail
addresses) information, then is printed as a .pdf file for posting on our
website.

Richard

Thank you, Richard.

Diana

"Richard" <cybrczch [at] excite.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97B0E4F9AF0CBcybrczchnebrrcom [at] 24.94.170.98...
> "Diana Kulaga" <diandfrankcat [at] bellsouth.net> wrote in
> news:x8Q1g.11473$iB2.5758 [at] bignews4.bellsouth.net:
>
>> As some of you know, I edit our local society's newsletter. So far,
>> we've been mailing it, but I want to start emailing it where possible.
>>
>> Frank is sitting next to me looking at prices for the Adobe pdf
>> program, and ran across the following:
>>
>> http://www.win2pdf.com/products/win2pdf.htm
>>
>> http://www.docudesk.com/deskpdf_professional_intro2.htm?sour ce=primoswf
>> lp&gclid=CIjgnZ6LvIQCFRe9SgodRBrmAQ
>>
>> There are others as well. Does anyone know anything about these
>> knock-off programs (if that's what they are-perhaps I'm mislabeling
>> them)? Will Adobe reader work with them, and are they worth trying?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Diana
>>
>>
>
> Diana,
>
> I use PDF995 (www.pdf995.com) to print documents (from any program with a
> "Print" command) to .pdf format. It's free to try, $9.95 to remove the nag
> screen that pops up when you print. I tried cutePDF before, and I had some
> problems with formatting in the .pdf, I haven't had any problems with
> PDF995.
>
> Our newsletter editor creates 3 versions of our newsletter - the first
> version he creates in his word processor (Microsoft Works), then saves as
> HTML. This version is e-mailed to our members with e-mail accounts. He
> then
> re-formats a copy to remove hyperlinks and e-mail links, then prints that
> verson for the few members who receive hard copy newsletters. The third
> version is edited to remove some personal (phone numbers, addresses,
> e-mail
> addresses) information, then is printed as a .pdf file for posting on our
> website.
>
> Richard

I think you might have forgotten the text for this one...

Kye.

"Aaron Hicks" <ahicks [at] nyx.nyx.net> wrote in message
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>

That seems pretty clear.

"Aaron Hicks" <ahicks [at] nyx.nyx.net> wrote in message
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