Hello evreybody

Some weeks ago I bought this Dendrobium delicatum en so I am trying hard to
find out what is the right way to grow this plant. Of course I found heaps
of information about Dendrobiums on the internet and a.o. I learned that
there are three groups of dendrobiums, which grow resp. onder hot,
intermediate or cold conditions. What I did not found is to which group my
plant belongs. As there anybody out there who can help me?

Steffie

http://www.nhorchids.org/pages_growing/kingianum.htm
Dendrobium x delicatum is a natural primary hybrid of den kingianum, so I
think the den kingianum culture sheet is probably relevant to it as well.

Best,

Joanna

"wshl7" <wshl7 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4449ebf8$0$15061$e4fe514c [at] dreader18.news.xs4all.nl...
> Hello evreybody
>
> Some weeks ago I bought this Dendrobium delicatum en so I am trying hard
> to find out what is the right way to grow this plant. Of course I found
> heaps of information about Dendrobiums on the internet and a.o. I learned
> that there are three groups of dendrobiums, which grow resp. onder hot,
> intermediate or cold conditions. What I did not found is to which group my
> plant belongs. As there anybody out there who can help me?
>
> Steffie
>

Hi Steffie

This is an easy cool growing Australian which is almost impossible to kill.
It is quick growing (for an orchid) and readily forms specimen sized plants.

I grow it in an open mix of 50:50 medium bark and perlite. It is grown
outside all year round, protected by 50% shade cloth in summer to avoid
sunburn (Australian summer sun is very intense). In winter we get down to
about 3-4°C (approx 40°F) which doesn't seem to affect the plant but it
doesn't like to be frozen! The secret to success is to keep it on the dry
side during winter but lots of bright light and plenty of fresh air. It is
not a glasshouse plant. I water it every one or two days during summer when
the new growths are forming.

Rewards with heaps of delightful white/pink flowers (typically 10 to 30
flowers per raceme) in spring.

Hope this helps

Cheers

John
--
John Varigos
Melbourne, Australia
__________________________________________
To email me remove "usenet." from my email address.



"wshl7" <wshl7 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4449ebf8$0$15061$e4fe514c [at] dreader18.news.xs4all.nl...
> Hello evreybody
>
> Some weeks ago I bought this Dendrobium delicatum en so I am trying hard
> to find out what is the right way to grow this plant. Of course I found
> heaps of information about Dendrobiums on the internet and a.o. I learned
> that there are three groups of dendrobiums, which grow resp. onder hot,
> intermediate or cold conditions. What I did not found is to which group my
> plant belongs. As there anybody out there who can help me?
>
> Steffie
>

[Professor mode set to "ON"] - I don't know what put me in this mood this
morning, so please accept my apologies in advance.

I want to seize this opportunity and use John's excellent response as an
example of how new orchid growers (and experienced ones - I cannot tell you
how many times I ignore my own advice.) can get in trouble. This has
nothing to do with growing this plant or John's advice.

John correctly stated in the first paragraph that "This is an easy cool
growing Australian which is almost impossible to kill."

Where folks get in trouble is by focusing on the last phrase, and ignoring
the first part, not to mention the details John offered later. In this
case, I am trying to stress that what folks miss is that "this [plant] is an
easy cool growing Australian which is almost impossible to kill"...IF you
have cool growing conditions! Growing it warmer, say along side of the
phals a lot of new orchid growers often have, will not be so easy.

Everyone should be aware of what growing conditions they have and can easily
maintain, and to pay attention to the needs of the plants they desire. Just
because a plant is "easy" for one doesn't mean it's easy for all. I'm
approaching the 40-year mark of orchid growing, and I still struggle with
some dendrobiums that others feel are like weeds.

[Professor mode now set to "OFF", if nothing more than to keep my wife from
rolling her eyes every time we converse today.]

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Artwork, Books and Lots of Free Info!


"John Varigos" <jvarigos [at] usenet.mediclin.com.au> wrote in message
news:4449f835$0$14876$a82e2bb9 [at] reader.athenanews.com...
> Hi Steffie
>
> This is an easy cool growing Australian which is almost impossible to
> kill. It is quick growing (for an orchid) and readily forms specimen sized
> plants.
>
> I grow it in an open mix of 50:50 medium bark and perlite. It is grown
> outside all year round, protected by 50% shade cloth in summer to avoid
> sunburn (Australian summer sun is very intense). In winter we get down to
> about 3-4°C (approx 40°F) which doesn't seem to affect the plant but it
> doesn't like to be frozen! The secret to success is to keep it on the dry
> side during winter but lots of bright light and plenty of fresh air. It
> is not a glasshouse plant. I water it every one or two days during summer
> when the new growths are forming.
>
> Rewards with heaps of delightful white/pink flowers (typically 10 to 30
> flowers per raceme) in spring.
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Cheers
>
> John
> --
> John Varigos
> Melbourne, Australia
> __________________________________________
> To email me remove "usenet." from my email address.
>
>
>
> "wshl7" <wshl7 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4449ebf8$0$15061$e4fe514c [at] dreader18.news.xs4all.nl...
>> Hello evreybody
>>
>> Some weeks ago I bought this Dendrobium delicatum en so I am trying hard
>> to find out what is the right way to grow this plant. Of course I found
>> heaps of information about Dendrobiums on the internet and a.o. I learned
>> that there are three groups of dendrobiums, which grow resp. onder hot,
>> intermediate or cold conditions. What I did not found is to which group
>> my plant belongs. As there anybody out there who can help me?
>>
>> Steffie
>>
>
>

Thank you all for all this very usefull information. Both the website
Joanna advised and Johns response were very helpful indeed.
And Ray is right of course. I live in the Netherlands (Western Europe) were
the climatological conditions are quite different from Johns in Australia.
Over here Dendrobium Delicatum, though difficult to kill, is also extremely
difficult to get into bloom, or so I am told. That is why it was so
important to me to find out exactly how to grow this plant.
Hopefully I will succeed.
Steffie


"Ray" <raybark [at] firstrays.com> schreef in bericht
news:XsidnSUlOd3y3dfZRVn-pQ [at] comcast.com...
> [Professor mode set to "ON"] - I don't know what put me in this mood this
> morning, so please accept my apologies in advance.
>
> I want to seize this opportunity and use John's excellent response as an
> example of how new orchid growers (and experienced ones - I cannot tell
> you how many times I ignore my own advice.) can get in trouble. This has
> nothing to do with growing this plant or John's advice.
>
> John correctly stated in the first paragraph that "This is an easy cool
> growing Australian which is almost impossible to kill."
>
> Where folks get in trouble is by focusing on the last phrase, and ignoring
> the first part, not to mention the details John offered later. In this
> case, I am trying to stress that what folks miss is that "this [plant] is
> an easy cool growing Australian which is almost impossible to kill"...IF
> you have cool growing conditions! Growing it warmer, say along side of
> the phals a lot of new orchid growers often have, will not be so easy.
>
> Everyone should be aware of what growing conditions they have and can
> easily maintain, and to pay attention to the needs of the plants they
> desire. Just because a plant is "easy" for one doesn't mean it's easy for
> all. I'm approaching the 40-year mark of orchid growing, and I still
> struggle with some dendrobiums that others feel are like weeds.
>
> [Professor mode now set to "OFF", if nothing more than to keep my wife
> from rolling her eyes every time we converse today.]
>
> --
>
> Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
> Plants, Supplies, Artwork, Books and Lots of Free Info!
>
>
> "John Varigos" <jvarigos [at] usenet.mediclin.com.au> wrote in message
> news:4449f835$0$14876$a82e2bb9 [at] reader.athenanews.com...
>> Hi Steffie
>>
>> This is an easy cool growing Australian which is almost impossible to
>> kill. It is quick growing (for an orchid) and readily forms specimen
>> sized plants.
>>
>> I grow it in an open mix of 50:50 medium bark and perlite. It is grown
>> outside all year round, protected by 50% shade cloth in summer to avoid
>> sunburn (Australian summer sun is very intense). In winter we get down
>> to about 3-4°C (approx 40°F) which doesn't seem to affect the plant but
>> it doesn't like to be frozen! The secret to success is to keep it on the
>> dry side during winter but lots of bright light and plenty of fresh air.
>> It is not a glasshouse plant. I water it every one or two days during
>> summer when the new growths are forming.
>>
>> Rewards with heaps of delightful white/pink flowers (typically 10 to 30
>> flowers per raceme) in spring.
>>
>> Hope this helps
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> John
>> --
>> John Varigos
>> Melbourne, Australia
>> __________________________________________
>> To email me remove "usenet." from my email address.
>>
>>
>>
>> "wshl7" <wshl7 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4449ebf8$0$15061$e4fe514c [at] dreader18.news.xs4all.nl...
>>> Hello evreybody
>>>
>>> Some weeks ago I bought this Dendrobium delicatum en so I am trying
>>> hard to find out what is the right way to grow this plant. Of course I
>>> found heaps of information about Dendrobiums on the internet and a.o. I
>>> learned that there are three groups of dendrobiums, which grow resp.
>>> onder hot, intermediate or cold conditions. What I did not found is to
>>> which group my plant belongs. As there anybody out there who can help
>>> me?
>>>
>>> Steffie
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Steffie, to add to John's comments - delicatum is a reasonably widespread plant
that grows in the mountain areas of SE Australia. (In Australia, 1500 metres is
quite a high mountain.) The point is, its growing climate varies quite a lot so
it's not too fussy about environment. But, typically, you would be looking at
summer maxima at 30C as an extreme, with summer rain. Winter minima may go as
low as 2C, and, as John said, winters are dry. They grow on the east facing
escarpments, and in cool gullies, so get *lots* of air movement & good light.
Since it's rising air, it cools and the humidity is usually fairly high. Like
kingianum & the other parent, speciosum, they are all from section dendrocoryne,
most species of which have similar needs. They like a cold winter (by our
standards) to initiate blooming. That all sounds quite daunting, but really,
what John & I are saying, is:
Warm summers - water & fertilise.
Autumn-winter - progressively reduce watering; if possible, keep humidity up.
Winter - cold nights - but not freezing; still humid if possible. In late
winter/early spring racemes should start to show.
Spring - start increasing water & fertiliser once new root tips show. Enjoy
your blooms.

Is that your actual email address? If yes, you may get an increase in spam from
posting it en clair. But, if that's it, I'll try to scan & email you some pages
on delicatum from my books.

On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 18:56:34 +0200, "wshl7" <wshl7 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:

>Thank you all for all this very usefull information. Both the website
>Joanna advised and Johns response were very helpful indeed.
>And Ray is right of course. I live in the Netherlands (Western Europe) were
>the climatological conditions are quite different from Johns in Australia.
>Over here Dendrobium Delicatum, though difficult to kill, is also extremely
>difficult to get into bloom, or so I am told. That is why it was so
>important to me to find out exactly how to grow this plant.
>Hopefully I will succeed.
>Steffie
>
>
>"Ray" <raybark [at] firstrays.com> schreef in bericht
>news:XsidnSUlOd3y3dfZRVn-pQ [at] comcast.com...
>> [Professor mode set to "ON"] - I don't know what put me in this mood this
>> morning, so please accept my apologies in advance.
>>
>> I want to seize this opportunity and use John's excellent response as an
>> example of how new orchid growers (and experienced ones - I cannot tell
>> you how many times I ignore my own advice.) can get in trouble. This has
>> nothing to do with growing this plant or John's advice.
>>
>> John correctly stated in the first paragraph that "This is an easy cool
>> growing Australian which is almost impossible to kill."
>>
>> Where folks get in trouble is by focusing on the last phrase, and ignoring
>> the first part, not to mention the details John offered later. In this
>> case, I am trying to stress that what folks miss is that "this [plant] is
>> an easy cool growing Australian which is almost impossible to kill"...IF
>> you have cool growing conditions! Growing it warmer, say along side of
>> the phals a lot of new orchid growers often have, will not be so easy.
>>
>> Everyone should be aware of what growing conditions they have and can
>> easily maintain, and to pay attention to the needs of the plants they
>> desire. Just because a plant is "easy" for one doesn't mean it's easy for
>> all. I'm approaching the 40-year mark of orchid growing, and I still
>> struggle with some dendrobiums that others feel are like weeds.
>>
>> [Professor mode now set to "OFF", if nothing more than to keep my wife
>> from rolling her eyes every time we converse today.]
>>
>> --
>>
>> Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
>> Plants, Supplies, Artwork, Books and Lots of Free Info!
>>
>>
>> "John Varigos" <jvarigos [at] usenet.mediclin.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:4449f835$0$14876$a82e2bb9 [at] reader.athenanews.com...
>>> Hi Steffie
>>>
>>> This is an easy cool growing Australian which is almost impossible to
>>> kill. It is quick growing (for an orchid) and readily forms specimen
>>> sized plants.
>>>
>>> I grow it in an open mix of 50:50 medium bark and perlite. It is grown
>>> outside all year round, protected by 50% shade cloth in summer to avoid
>>> sunburn (Australian summer sun is very intense). In winter we get down
>>> to about 3-4°C (approx 40°F) which doesn't seem to affect the plant but
>>> it doesn't like to be frozen! The secret to success is to keep it on the
>>> dry side during winter but lots of bright light and plenty of fresh air.
>>> It is not a glasshouse plant. I water it every one or two days during
>>> summer when the new growths are forming.
>>>
>>> Rewards with heaps of delightful white/pink flowers (typically 10 to 30
>>> flowers per raceme) in spring.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> John
>>> --
>>> John Varigos
>>> Melbourne, Australia
>>> __________________________________________
>>> To email me remove "usenet." from my email address.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "wshl7" <wshl7 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4449ebf8$0$15061$e4fe514c [at] dreader18.news.xs4all.nl...
>>>> Hello evreybody
>>>>
>>>> Some weeks ago I bought this Dendrobium delicatum en so I am trying
>>>> hard to find out what is the right way to grow this plant. Of course I
>>>> found heaps of information about Dendrobiums on the internet and a.o. I
>>>> learned that there are three groups of dendrobiums, which grow resp.
>>>> onder hot, intermediate or cold conditions. What I did not found is to
>>>> which group my plant belongs. As there anybody out there who can help
>>>> me?
>>>>
>>>> Steffie
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
Dave Gillingham
------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------
To email me remove the .private from my email address.

Ray, you are quite correct to point out that no plant is easy to kill if you
provide the conditions it requires.

Some are a bit more tolerant of the extremes of these conditions and flower
regardless (albeit not as spectacularly) others turn up their toes quite
quickly. Dendrobium X delicatum is probably one of the former.

Everyone should heed your advice re getting the growing conditions right (or
as close to ideal as possible). The problem arises in mixed collections
(which most of us have) in which case we grow to the commonest denominator
whilst trying to find micro climates for each plant within the constraints
of our growing areas. In some cases we eventually reach the conclusion that
we just can't provide the right conditions for a particular plant without
compromising the majority of the collection and give up on it or set up a
parallel growth area e.g. cold house/intermediate house.


"Ray" <raybark [at] firstrays.com> wrote in message
news:XsidnSUlOd3y3dfZRVn-pQ [at] comcast.com...
> [Professor mode set to "ON"] - I don't know what put me in this mood this
> morning, so please accept my apologies in advance.
>
> I want to seize this opportunity and use John's excellent response as an
> example of how new orchid growers (and experienced ones - I cannot tell
> you how many times I ignore my own advice.) can get in trouble. This has
> nothing to do with growing this plant or John's advice.
>
> John correctly stated in the first paragraph that "This is an easy cool
> growing Australian which is almost impossible to kill."
>
> Where folks get in trouble is by focusing on the last phrase, and ignoring
> the first part, not to mention the details John offered later. In this
> case, I am trying to stress that what folks miss is that "this [plant] is
> an easy cool growing Australian which is almost impossible to kill"...IF
> you have cool growing conditions! Growing it warmer, say along side of
> the phals a lot of new orchid growers often have, will not be so easy.
>
> Everyone should be aware of what growing conditions they have and can
> easily maintain, and to pay attention to the needs of the plants they
> desire. Just because a plant is "easy" for one doesn't mean it's easy for
> all. I'm approaching the 40-year mark of orchid growing, and I still
> struggle with some dendrobiums that others feel are like weeds.
>
> [Professor mode now set to "OFF", if nothing more than to keep my wife
> from rolling her eyes every time we converse today.]
>
> --
>
> Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
> Plants, Supplies, Artwork, Books and Lots of Free Info!
>
>
> "John Varigos" <jvarigos [at] usenet.mediclin.com.au> wrote in message
> news:4449f835$0$14876$a82e2bb9 [at] reader.athenanews.com...
>> Hi Steffie
>>
>> This is an easy cool growing Australian which is almost impossible to
>> kill. It is quick growing (for an orchid) and readily forms specimen
>> sized plants.
>>
>> I grow it in an open mix of 50:50 medium bark and perlite. It is grown
>> outside all year round, protected by 50% shade cloth in summer to avoid
>> sunburn (Australian summer sun is very intense). In winter we get down
>> to about 3-4°C (approx 40°F) which doesn't seem to affect the plant but
>> it doesn't like to be frozen! The secret to success is to keep it on the
>> dry side during winter but lots of bright light and plenty of fresh air.
>> It is not a glasshouse plant. I water it every one or two days during
>> summer when the new growths are forming.
>>
>> Rewards with heaps of delightful white/pink flowers (typically 10 to 30
>> flowers per raceme) in spring.
>>
>> Hope this helps
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> John
>> --
>> John Varigos
>> Melbourne, Australia
>> __________________________________________
>> To email me remove "usenet." from my email address.
>>
>>
>>
>> "wshl7" <wshl7 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4449ebf8$0$15061$e4fe514c [at] dreader18.news.xs4all.nl...
>>> Hello evreybody
>>>
>>> Some weeks ago I bought this Dendrobium delicatum en so I am trying
>>> hard to find out what is the right way to grow this plant. Of course I
>>> found heaps of information about Dendrobiums on the internet and a.o. I
>>> learned that there are three groups of dendrobiums, which grow resp.
>>> onder hot, intermediate or cold conditions. What I did not found is to
>>> which group my plant belongs. As there anybody out there who can help
>>> me?
>>>
>>> Steffie
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Hello David,

Thank you for that handy manual for my d. delicatum. I think I will manage
allright as far as temperatures are concerned but I fear the humidity is
going to be a problem. I will probably need to do a lot of misting.

Yes, that email address is real I am afraid. Though I only use it for
'newsgroup purposes' :-) I would be very gratefull if you would email me
some scans on delicatum. Being fairly new to the subject of orchids in
general and Dendrobiums in particular I can never read enough.
Steffie



"Dave Gillingham" <dewg [at] private.optusnet.com.au> schreef in bericht
news:hafl42p880m0e66bu5plhci6t49tdgl4rj [at] 4ax.com...
> Steffie, to add to John's comments - delicatum is a reasonably widespread
> plant
> that grows in the mountain areas of SE Australia. (In Australia, 1500
> metres is
> quite a high mountain.) The point is, its growing climate varies quite a
> lot so
> it's not too fussy about environment. But, typically, you would be
> looking at
> summer maxima at 30C as an extreme, with summer rain. Winter minima may
> go as
> low as 2C, and, as John said, winters are dry. They grow on the east
> facing
> escarpments, and in cool gullies, so get *lots* of air movement & good
> light.
> Since it's rising air, it cools and the humidity is usually fairly high.
> Like
> kingianum & the other parent, speciosum, they are all from section
> dendrocoryne,
> most species of which have similar needs. They like a cold winter (by our
> standards) to initiate blooming. That all sounds quite daunting, but
> really,
> what John & I are saying, is:
> Warm summers - water & fertilise.
> Autumn-winter - progressively reduce watering; if possible, keep humidity
> up.
> Winter - cold nights - but not freezing; still humid if possible. In late
> winter/early spring racemes should start to show.
> Spring - start increasing water & fertiliser once new root tips show.
> Enjoy
> your blooms.
>
> Is that your actual email address? If yes, you may get an increase in
> spam from
> posting it en clair. But, if that's it, I'll try to scan & email you some
> pages
> on delicatum from my books.
>
> On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 18:56:34 +0200, "wshl7" <wshl7 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Thank you all for all this very usefull information. Both the website
>>Joanna advised and Johns response were very helpful indeed.
>>And Ray is right of course. I live in the Netherlands (Western Europe)
>>were
>>the climatological conditions are quite different from Johns in Australia.
>>Over here Dendrobium Delicatum, though difficult to kill, is also
>>extremely
>>difficult to get into bloom, or so I am told. That is why it was so
>>important to me to find out exactly how to grow this plant.
>>Hopefully I will succeed.
>>Steffie
>>
>>
>>"Ray" <raybark [at] firstrays.com> schreef in bericht
>>news:XsidnSUlOd3y3dfZRVn-pQ [at] comcast.com...
>>> [Professor mode set to "ON"] - I don't know what put me in this mood
>>> this
>>> morning, so please accept my apologies in advance.
>>>
>>> I want to seize this opportunity and use John's excellent response as an
>>> example of how new orchid growers (and experienced ones - I cannot tell
>>> you how many times I ignore my own advice.) can get in trouble. This
>>> has
>>> nothing to do with growing this plant or John's advice.
>>>
>>> John correctly stated in the first paragraph that "This is an easy cool
>>> growing Australian which is almost impossible to kill."
>>>
>>> Where folks get in trouble is by focusing on the last phrase, and
>>> ignoring
>>> the first part, not to mention the details John offered later. In this
>>> case, I am trying to stress that what folks miss is that "this [plant]
>>> is
>>> an easy cool growing Australian which is almost impossible to kill"...IF
>>> you have cool growing conditions! Growing it warmer, say along side of
>>> the phals a lot of new orchid growers often have, will not be so easy.
>>>
>>> Everyone should be aware of what growing conditions they have and can
>>> easily maintain, and to pay attention to the needs of the plants they
>>> desire. Just because a plant is "easy" for one doesn't mean it's easy
>>> for
>>> all. I'm approaching the 40-year mark of orchid growing, and I still
>>> struggle with some dendrobiums that others feel are like weeds.
>>>
>>> [Professor mode now set to "OFF", if nothing more than to keep my wife
>>> from rolling her eyes every time we converse today.]
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
>>> Plants, Supplies, Artwork, Books and Lots of Free Info!
>>>
>>>
>>> "John Varigos" <jvarigos [at] usenet.mediclin.com.au> wrote in message
>>> news:4449f835$0$14876$a82e2bb9 [at] reader.athenanews.com...
>>>> Hi Steffie
>>>>
>>>> This is an easy cool growing Australian which is almost impossible to
>>>> kill. It is quick growing (for an orchid) and readily forms specimen
>>>> sized plants.
>>>>
>>>> I grow it in an open mix of 50:50 medium bark and perlite. It is grown
>>>> outside all year round, protected by 50% shade cloth in summer to avoid
>>>> sunburn (Australian summer sun is very intense). In winter we get down
>>>> to about 3-4°C (approx 40°F) which doesn't seem to affect the plant but
>>>> it doesn't like to be frozen! The secret to success is to keep it on
>>>> the
>>>> dry side during winter but lots of bright light and plenty of fresh
>>>> air.
>>>> It is not a glasshouse plant. I water it every one or two days during
>>>> summer when the new growths are forming.
>>>>
>>>> Rewards with heaps of delightful white/pink flowers (typically 10 to 30
>>>> flowers per raceme) in spring.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>> --
>>>> John Varigos
>>>> Melbourne, Australia
>>>> __________________________________________
>>>> To email me remove "usenet." from my email address.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "wshl7" <wshl7 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4449ebf8$0$15061$e4fe514c [at] dreader18.news.xs4all.nl...
>>>>> Hello evreybody
>>>>>
>>>>> Some weeks ago I bought this Dendrobium delicatum en so I am trying
>>>>> hard to find out what is the right way to grow this plant. Of course I
>>>>> found heaps of information about Dendrobiums on the internet and a.o.
>>>>> I
>>>>> learned that there are three groups of dendrobiums, which grow resp.
>>>>> onder hot, intermediate or cold conditions. What I did not found is to
>>>>> which group my plant belongs. As there anybody out there who can help
>>>>> me?
>>>>>
>>>>> Steffie
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
> Dave Gillingham
> ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------
> To email me remove the .private from my email address.

Right on all counts (as usual) John.

That's actually one of the draws of orchid growing for me - figuring out the
range of conditions I can have within my overall situation.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
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"John Varigos" <jvarigos [at] usenet.mediclin.com.au> wrote in message
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> Ray, you are quite correct to point out that no plant is easy to kill if
> you provide the conditions it requires.
>
> Some are a bit more tolerant of the extremes of these conditions and
> flower regardless (albeit not as spectacularly) others turn up their toes
> quite quickly. Dendrobium X delicatum is probably one of the former.
>
> Everyone should heed your advice re getting the growing conditions right
> (or as close to ideal as possible). The problem arises in mixed
> collections (which most of us have) in which case we grow to the commonest
> denominator whilst trying to find micro climates for each plant within the
> constraints of our growing areas. In some cases we eventually reach the
> conclusion that we just can't provide the right conditions for a
> particular plant without compromising the majority of the collection and
> give up on it or set up a parallel growth area e.g. cold
> house/intermediate house.
>
>
> "Ray" <raybark [at] firstrays.com> wrote in message
> news:XsidnSUlOd3y3dfZRVn-pQ [at] comcast.com...
>> [Professor mode set to "ON"] - I don't know what put me in this mood this
>> morning, so please accept my apologies in advance.
>>
>> I want to seize this opportunity and use John's excellent response as an
>> example of how new orchid growers (and experienced ones - I cannot tell
>> you how many times I ignore my own advice.) can get in trouble. This has
>> nothing to do with growing this plant or John's advice.
>>
>> John correctly stated in the first paragraph that "This is an easy cool
>> growing Australian which is almost impossible to kill."
>>
>> Where folks get in trouble is by focusing on the last phrase, and
>> ignoring the first part, not to mention the details John offered later.
>> In this case, I am trying to stress that what folks miss is that "this
>> [plant] is an easy cool growing Australian which is almost impossible to
>> kill"...IF you have cool growing conditions! Growing it warmer, say
>> along side of the phals a lot of new orchid growers often have, will not
>> be so easy.
>>
>> Everyone should be aware of what growing conditions they have and can
>> easily maintain, and to pay attention to the needs of the plants they
>> desire. Just because a plant is "easy" for one doesn't mean it's easy
>> for all. I'm approaching the 40-year mark of orchid growing, and I still
>> struggle with some dendrobiums that others feel are like weeds.
>>
>> [Professor mode now set to "OFF", if nothing more than to keep my wife
>> from rolling her eyes every time we converse today.]
>>
>> --
>>
>> Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
>> Plants, Supplies, Artwork, Books and Lots of Free Info!
>>
>>
>> "John Varigos" <jvarigos [at] usenet.mediclin.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:4449f835$0$14876$a82e2bb9 [at] reader.athenanews.com...
>>> Hi Steffie
>>>
>>> This is an easy cool growing Australian which is almost impossible to
>>> kill. It is quick growing (for an orchid) and readily forms specimen
>>> sized plants.
>>>
>>> I grow it in an open mix of 50:50 medium bark and perlite. It is grown
>>> outside all year round, protected by 50% shade cloth in summer to avoid
>>> sunburn (Australian summer sun is very intense). In winter we get down
>>> to about 3-4°C (approx 40°F) which doesn't seem to affect the plant but
>>> it doesn't like to be frozen! The secret to success is to keep it on
>>> the dry side during winter but lots of bright light and plenty of fresh
>>> air. It is not a glasshouse plant. I water it every one or two days
>>> during summer when the new growths are forming.
>>>
>>> Rewards with heaps of delightful white/pink flowers (typically 10 to 30
>>> flowers per raceme) in spring.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> John
>>> --
>>> John Varigos
>>> Melbourne, Australia
>>> __________________________________________
>>> To email me remove "usenet." from my email address.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "wshl7" <wshl7 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4449ebf8$0$15061$e4fe514c [at] dreader18.news.xs4all.nl...
>>>> Hello evreybody
>>>>
>>>> Some weeks ago I bought this Dendrobium delicatum en so I am trying
>>>> hard to find out what is the right way to grow this plant. Of course I
>>>> found heaps of information about Dendrobiums on the internet and a.o. I
>>>> learned that there are three groups of dendrobiums, which grow resp.
>>>> onder hot, intermediate or cold conditions. What I did not found is to
>>>> which group my plant belongs. As there anybody out there who can help
>>>> me?
>>>>
>>>> Steffie
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Steffie, I'll get them scanned & emailed in the next couple of days.

On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 14:00:22 +0200, "wshl7" <wshl7 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:

>Hello David,
>
>Thank you for that handy manual for my d. delicatum. I think I will manage
>allright as far as temperatures are concerned but I fear the humidity is
>going to be a problem. I will probably need to do a lot of misting.
>
>Yes, that email address is real I am afraid. Though I only use it for
>'newsgroup purposes' :-) I would be very gratefull if you would email me
>some scans on delicatum. Being fairly new to the subject of orchids in
>general and Dendrobiums in particular I can never read enough.
>Steffie
>
>
>
>"Dave Gillingham" <dewg [at] private.optusnet.com.au> schreef in bericht
>news:hafl42p880m0e66bu5plhci6t49tdgl4rj [at] 4ax.com...
>> Steffie, to add to John's comments - delicatum is a reasonably widespread
>> plant
>> that grows in the mountain areas of SE Australia. (In Australia, 1500
>> metres is
>> quite a high mountain.) The point is, its growing climate varies quite a
>> lot so
>> it's not too fussy about environment. But, typically, you would be
>> looking at
>> summer maxima at 30C as an extreme, with summer rain. Winter minima may
>> go as
>> low as 2C, and, as John said, winters are dry. They grow on the east
>> facing
>> escarpments, and in cool gullies, so get *lots* of air movement & good
>> light.
>> Since it's rising air, it cools and the humidity is usually fairly high.
>> Like
>> kingianum & the other parent, speciosum, they are all from section
>> dendrocoryne,
>> most species of which have similar needs. They like a cold winter (by our
>> standards) to initiate blooming. That all sounds quite daunting, but
>> really,
>> what John & I are saying, is:
>> Warm summers - water & fertilise.
>> Autumn-winter - progressively reduce watering; if possible, keep humidity
>> up.
>> Winter - cold nights - but not freezing; still humid if possible. In late
>> winter/early spring racemes should start to show.
>> Spring - start increasing water & fertiliser once new root tips show.
>> Enjoy
>> your blooms.
>>
>> Is that your actual email address? If yes, you may get an increase in
>> spam from
>> posting it en clair. But, if that's it, I'll try to scan & email you some
>> pages
>> on delicatum from my books.
>>
>> On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 18:56:34 +0200, "wshl7" <wshl7 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Thank you all for all this very usefull information. Both the website
>>>Joanna advised and Johns response were very helpful indeed.
>>>And Ray is right of course. I live in the Netherlands (Western Europe)
>>>were
>>>the climatological conditions are quite different from Johns in Australia.
>>>Over here Dendrobium Delicatum, though difficult to kill, is also
>>>extremely
>>>difficult to get into bloom, or so I am told. That is why it was so
>>>important to me to find out exactly how to grow this plant.
>>>Hopefully I will succeed.
>>>Steffie
>>>
>>>
>>>"Ray" <raybark [at] firstrays.com> schreef in bericht
>>>news:XsidnSUlOd3y3dfZRVn-pQ [at] comcast.com...
>>>> [Professor mode set to "ON"] - I don't know what put me in this mood
>>>> this
>>>> morning, so please accept my apologies in advance.
>>>>
>>>> I want to seize this opportunity and use John's excellent response as an
>>>> example of how new orchid growers (and experienced ones - I cannot tell
>>>> you how many times I ignore my own advice.) can get in trouble. This
>>>> has
>>>> nothing to do with growing this plant or John's advice.
>>>>
>>>> John correctly stated in the first paragraph that "This is an easy cool
>>>> growing Australian which is almost impossible to kill."
>>>>
>>>> Where folks get in trouble is by focusing on the last phrase, and
>>>> ignoring
>>>> the first part, not to mention the details John offered later. In this
>>>> case, I am trying to stress that what folks miss is that "this [plant]
>>>> is
>>>> an easy cool growing Australian which is almost impossible to kill"...IF
>>>> you have cool growing conditions! Growing it warmer, say along side of
>>>> the phals a lot of new orchid growers often have, will not be so easy.
>>>>
>>>> Everyone should be aware of what growing conditions they have and can
>>>> easily maintain, and to pay attention to the needs of the plants they
>>>> desire. Just because a plant is "easy" for one doesn't mean it's easy
>>>> for
>>>> all. I'm approaching the 40-year mark of orchid growing, and I still
>>>> struggle with some dendrobiums that others feel are like weeds.
>>>>
>>>> [Professor mode now set to "OFF", if nothing more than to keep my wife
>>>> from rolling her eyes every time we converse today.]
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
>>>> Plants, Supplies, Artwork, Books and Lots of Free Info!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "John Varigos" <jvarigos [at] usenet.mediclin.com.au> wrote in message
>>>> news:4449f835$0$14876$a82e2bb9 [at] reader.athenanews.com...
>>>>> Hi Steffie
>>>>>
>>>>> This is an easy cool growing Australian which is almost impossible to
>>>>> kill. It is quick growing (for an orchid) and readily forms specimen
>>>>> sized plants.
>>>>>
>>>>> I grow it in an open mix of 50:50 medium bark and perlite. It is grown
>>>>> outside all year round, protected by 50% shade cloth in summer to avoid
>>>>> sunburn (Australian summer sun is very intense). In winter we get down
>>>>> to about 3-4°C (approx 40°F) which doesn't seem to affect the plant but
>>>>> it doesn't like to be frozen! The secret to success is to keep it on
>>>>> the
>>>>> dry side during winter but lots of bright light and plenty of fresh
>>>>> air.
>>>>> It is not a glasshouse plant. I water it every one or two days during
>>>>> summer when the new growths are forming.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rewards with heaps of delightful white/pink flowers (typically 10 to 30
>>>>> flowers per raceme) in spring.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope this helps
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>> --
>>>>> John Varigos
>>>>> Melbourne, Australia
>>>>> __________________________________________
>>>>> To email me remove "usenet." from my email address.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "wshl7" <wshl7 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4449ebf8$0$15061$e4fe514c [at] dreader18.news.xs4all.nl...
>>>>>> Hello evreybody
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some weeks ago I bought this Dendrobium delicatum en so I am trying
>>>>>> hard to find out what is the right way to grow this plant. Of course I
>>>>>> found heaps of information about Dendrobiums on the internet and a.o.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> learned that there are three groups of dendrobiums, which grow resp.
>>>>>> onder hot, intermediate or cold conditions. What I did not found is to
>>>>>> which group my plant belongs. As there anybody out there who can help
>>>>>> me?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steffie
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>> Dave Gillingham
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>
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