I've had an orchard for four years. This year, the tent caterpillars
have decided they are taking over. Can you tell me, besides using BT,
what are some other ways to get rid of these pests? Should I have
sprayed with BT earlier, like before they went into pink bud, or can I
spray now that they are blooming? What would make them come in this
year instead of last or the previous years?

Most things have boom and bust cycles, caterpillars are no different.
Wrap a kerosene soaked rag around a stick, light,and give the tents a
hot foot.

cvnativeinpa [at] operamail.com wrote:

> I've had an orchard for four years. This year, the tent caterpillars
> have decided they are taking over. Can you tell me, besides using BT,
> what are some other ways to get rid of these pests? Should I have
> sprayed with BT earlier, like before they went into pink bud, or can I
> spray now that they are blooming? What would make them come in this
> year instead of last or the previous years?

You don't want to spray any insecticides while the trees are blooiming, or you
will kill the benefical pollinators. You can
start spraying after petal fall.

I would try to kill the caterpillar eggs next winter with dormant oil. It will
smother the eggs, thus killing the pest.


Other insecticides that don't harm beneficial insects are insecticidal soaps,
spinosad (Conserve), and azadirachtim (Azatin). Aso, l insecticides include
carbaryl (Sevin), malathion, acephate (Orthene) and permethrin.

Sherwin D.

Just had another idea. There is a product called Tanglefoot which you can
spread
around the trunks in a band. The caterpillars who try and climb up the tree to
lay their eggs will get stuck in it. If you have young or thin bark trees, you
might want to
apply the tanglefoot to a closely wrapped band. Won't help you this year, but
possibly the next. This method also works for other critters that climb up your
trees to lay eggs like codling moth, procession caterpillars, and ants. .
Controlling ants reduces scale, aphids and mealy bug problems, as the ants
protect these pests.

Sherwin D.

cvnativeinpa [at] operamail.com wrote:

> I've had an orchard for four years. This year, the tent caterpillars
> have decided they are taking over. Can you tell me, besides using BT,
> what are some other ways to get rid of these pests? Should I have
> sprayed with BT earlier, like before they went into pink bud, or can I
> spray now that they are blooming? What would make them come in this
> year instead of last or the previous years?

cvnativeinpa [at] operamail.com wrote:

> I've had an orchard for four years. This year, the tent caterpillars
> have decided they are taking over. Can you tell me, besides using BT,
> what are some other ways to get rid of these pests? Should I have
> sprayed with BT earlier, like before they went into pink bud, or can I
> spray now that they are blooming? What would make them come in this
> year instead of last or the previous years?

Sorry for the multiple replies, but I recall that I'm having difficulty this
year with aphids. This could be because of the cool damp weather that has
prevented the
natural predators of aphids, like lady bugs and wasps from controlling their
numbers.
I don't know if this also holds true for tree caterpillars.

Sherwin D.

"sherwindu" <sherwindu [at] comcast.net> wrote in message
news:4466C78D.8E2DAB2F [at] comcast.net
> Just had another idea. There is a product called Tanglefoot
> which
> you can spread
> around the trunks in a band. The caterpillars who try and
> climb up
> the tree to lay their eggs will get stuck in it. If you have
> young
> or thin bark trees, you might want to
> apply the tanglefoot to a closely wrapped band. Won't help you
> this year, but possibly the next. This method also works for
> other
> critters that climb up your trees to lay eggs like codling
> moth,
> procession caterpillars, and ants. . Controlling ants reduces
> scale, aphids and mealy bug problems, as the ants protect these
> pests.
>
> Sherwin D.
>
> cvnativeinpa [at] operamail.com wrote:
>
> > I've had an orchard for four years. This year, the tent
> > caterpillars have decided they are taking over. Can you tell
> > me,
> > besides using BT, what are some other ways to get rid of
> > these
> > pests? Should I have sprayed with BT earlier, like before
> > they
> > went into pink bud, or can I spray now that they are
> > blooming?
> > What would make them come in this year instead of last or the
> > previous years?

Caterpillars don't lay eggs.

--

Travis in Shoreline (just North of Seattle) Washington
USDA Zone 8
Sunset Zone 5

you can spray with Bt, a live bacteria that only targets caterpillars at any time of
the year. Ingrid

cvnativeinpa [at] operamail.com wrote:

>I've had an orchard for four years. This year, the tent caterpillars
>have decided they are taking over. Can you tell me, besides using BT,
>what are some other ways to get rid of these pests? Should I have
>sprayed with BT earlier, like before they went into pink bud, or can I
>spray now that they are blooming? What would make them come in this
>year instead of last or the previous years?



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"Travis M." wrote:

> "sherwindu" <sherwindu [at] comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:4466C78D.8E2DAB2F [at] comcast.net
> > Just had another idea. There is a product called Tanglefoot
> > which
> > you can spread
> > around the trunks in a band. The caterpillars who try and
> > climb up
> > the tree to lay their eggs will get stuck in it. If you have
> > young
> > or thin bark trees, you might want to
> > apply the tanglefoot to a closely wrapped band. Won't help you
> > this year, but possibly the next. This method also works for
> > other
> > critters that climb up your trees to lay eggs like codling
> > moth,
> > procession caterpillars, and ants. . Controlling ants reduces
> > scale, aphids and mealy bug problems, as the ants protect these
> > pests.
> >
> > Sherwin D.
> >
> > cvnativeinpa [at] operamail.com wrote:
> >
> > > I've had an orchard for four years. This year, the tent
> > > caterpillars have decided they are taking over. Can you tell
> > > me,
> > > besides using BT, what are some other ways to get rid of
> > > these
> > > pests? Should I have sprayed with BT earlier, like before
> > > they
> > > went into pink bud, or can I spray now that they are
> > > blooming?
> > > What would make them come in this year instead of last or the
> > > previous years?
>
> Caterpillars don't lay eggs.

OK, I got confused about the life cycle of these caterpillars. It is the
moths that lay the eggs.
For that case, I might try spraying with dormant oil in the late Winter or
very early
Spring, to smother the eggs. This would require the penetration of the tent
with the sprayer
wand.

For anyone interested in the life cycle of these pests, check the following
web site:

http://www.uky.edu/Ag/Entomology/entfacts/trees/ef423.htm

This and other sites recommend a few ways to counter this pest, and I am not
sure why they do not
recommend dormant oil as an alternate treatment. Maybe they feel that
something like BT
is more effective in killing the eggs.

Sherwin D.

>
>
> --
>
> Travis in Shoreline (just North of Seattle) Washington
> USDA Zone 8
> Sunset Zone 5

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From what I found, you can't just simply spray the tree with BT. You have to penetrate
the tent with your spray wand to be effective.

Sherwin D.

dr-solo [at] wi.rr.xx.com wrote:

> you can spray with Bt, a live bacteria that only targets caterpillars at any time of
> the year. Ingrid
>
> cvnativeinpa [at] operamail.com wrote:
>
> >I've had an orchard for four years. This year, the tent caterpillars
> >have decided they are taking over. Can you tell me, besides using BT,
> >what are some other ways to get rid of these pests? Should I have
> >sprayed with BT earlier, like before they went into pink bud, or can I
> >spray now that they are blooming? What would make them come in this
> >year instead of last or the previous years?
>
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Sray BT in the tent. It will only kill Caterpillers and is safe. You can
get it in liquid or powder.

Mel & Donnie down in Bluebird Valley In the middle of beautiful down
town Yountsville. Managers of the water works.
http://community.webtv.net/MelDKelly/doc

http://community.webtv.net/MelDKelly/MelDonniesBluebird

What is "BT" please - the full name.

I want to google it to find out more.

Ether Jones wrote:

> What is "BT" please - the full name.
>
> I want to google it to find out more.

Bacillus thuringiensis var kurstaki

Sherwin D.

Thanks.

I read the MSDS and it doesn't sound too scary.

Is this stuff available to the general public, or do you need to have
some sort of license to buy it? I've never seen anything in the
mega-stores or the local garden stores with BT listed in the
ingredients.

I have a lot of black cherry trees, and the tent caterpillars are a
problem.

"Ether Jones" <EtherJones [at] yahoo.com> expounded:

>
>Thanks.
>
>I read the MSDS and it doesn't sound too scary.
>
>Is this stuff available to the general public, or do you need to have
>some sort of license to buy it? I've never seen anything in the
>mega-stores or the local garden stores with BT listed in the
>ingredients.
>
>I have a lot of black cherry trees, and the tent caterpillars are a
>problem.

BT is a biological control, it won't hurt people at all, only
caterpillars.
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"Ether Jones" <EtherJones [at] yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>Thanks.
>
>I read the MSDS and it doesn't sound too scary.
>
>Is this stuff available to the general public, or do you need to have
>some sort of license to buy it? I've never seen anything in the
>mega-stores or the local garden stores with BT listed in the
>ingredients.
>
>I have a lot of black cherry trees, and the tent caterpillars are a
>problem.



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"Ether Jones" <EtherJones [at] yahoo.com> wrote in
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>
> Thanks.
>
> I read the MSDS and it doesn't sound too scary.
>
> Is this stuff available to the general public, or do you
> need to have some sort of license to buy it? I've never
> seen anything in the mega-stores or the local garden stores
> with BT listed in the ingredients.

it's a bacteria that only affects caterpillers. it's not
likely to be in any of the nasty chemical crap found at big
box stores.
try looking online for natural pest control or organic pest
control.
lee
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enigma wrote:

> "Ether Jones" <EtherJones [at] yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:1147759737.617560.281990 [at] i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>I read the MSDS and it doesn't sound too scary.
>>
>>Is this stuff available to the general public, or do you
>>need to have some sort of license to buy it? I've never
>>seen anything in the mega-stores or the local garden stores
>>with BT listed in the ingredients.
>
>
> it's a bacteria that only affects caterpillers. it's not
> likely to be in any of the nasty chemical crap found at big
> box stores.
> try looking online for natural pest control or organic pest
> control.
> lee

Home Depot had 2 BT products, I bought Dipel (a powder) there. Check the
websites of your personal favorite stores. It was also inexpensive.
haven't used it yet but I am prepared for the onslaught my 'Whiskers'
Brugmansia will likely see again this year.

Carl


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On Tue, 16 May 2006 14:06:13 +0000 (UTC), enigma
<enigma [at] empire.net> wrote:

>"Ether Jones" <EtherJones [at] yahoo.com> wrote in
>news:1147759737.617560.281990 [at] i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
>
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> I read the MSDS and it doesn't sound too scary.
>>
>> Is this stuff available to the general public, or do you
>> need to have some sort of license to buy it? I've never
>> seen anything in the mega-stores or the local garden stores
>> with BT listed in the ingredients.
>
> it's a bacteria that only affects caterpillers. it's not
>likely to be in any of the nasty chemical crap found at big
>box stores.
> try looking online for natural pest control or organic pest
>control.

Just remember that it is indiscriminate, it kills ALL
caterpillars, including the butterflies and moths that you
may enjoy seeing. Use it wisely and be sure to get the right
variety. There are a lot of different types of Bt for
different species/problems.

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<<There are a lot of different types of Bt for different
species/problems.>>

Could you elaborate just a bit more what you mean by "different types"
of Bt?

In article <1147907047.524202.299410 [at] g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
EtherJones [at] yahoo.com says...
:) <<There are a lot of different types of Bt for different
:) species/problems.>>
:)
:) Could you elaborate just a bit more what you mean by "different types"
:) of Bt?
:)
:)
B. thuringiensis var kurstaki attacks caterpillars
B. thuringiensis var israelensis attcks the fly family (mosquitos)
B. thuringiensis var san diego or B.t. var tenebrionis attacks beetles

On 17 May 2006 16:04:07 -0700, "Ether Jones"
<EtherJones [at] yahoo.com> wrote:

><<There are a lot of different types of Bt for different
>species/problems.>>
>
>Could you elaborate just a bit more what you mean by "different types"
>of Bt?

Lar posted some good info. See the following links if you
are still curious:

http://extoxnet.orst.edu/tics/b_t.txt

http://www.entomology.wisc.edu/mbcn/fea207.html

http://www.mindfully.org/GE/Bacillus-thuringiensis-Bt.htm

If you want more keep going with google search...


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