When is the best time to move lily-of-the-valley, please? I have some
in my very small front, but I would like some in my larger back...

Sue O'B

sue181 [at] hotmail.com Wrote:
> When is the best time to move lily-of-the-valley, please? I have some
> in my very small front, but I would like some in my larger back...
>
> Sue O'B

i am sure that i read somehwhere that you should move them after they
have flowered


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mrs-baggins

"mrs-baggins" <mrs-baggins.28ay80 [at] gardenbanter.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> sue181 [at] hotmail.com Wrote:
>> When is the best time to move lily-of-the-valley, please? I have some
>> in my very small front, but I would like some in my larger back...
>>
>> Sue O'B
>
> i am sure that i read somehwhere that you should move them after they
> have flowered

And remember they always travel north so do not plant them on a south facing
fence/wall.

Alan

>
>
> --
> mrs-baggins

Thanks, I'll try moving them soon, although to the west.

Sue O'B

Alan Holmes wrote:

> And remember they always travel north so do not plant them on a south facing
> fence/wall.

Not sure I understand this - I'm about to plant some. Do you mean that
when they spread of their own accord that they tend to do so only
towards the north?

"Martin Pentreath" <martin_pentreath [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Alan Holmes wrote:
>
> > And remember they always travel north so do not plant them on a south
facing
> > fence/wall.
>
> Not sure I understand this - I'm about to plant some. Do you mean that
> when they spread of their own accord that they tend to do so only
> towards the north?
>

??????
:-)

Dunno 'bout that, ours are spreading across the path to South West..
Mike on the Isle of Wight (Should that make any difference?????)


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In article <1148832306.705705.323130 [at] 38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Martin Pentreath" <martin_pentreath [at] hotmail.com> writes:
|> Alan Holmes wrote:
|>
|> > And remember they always travel north so do not plant them on a south facing
|> > fence/wall.
|>
|> Not sure I understand this - I'm about to plant some. Do you mean that
|> when they spread of their own accord that they tend to do so only
|> towards the north?

They don't like hot, dry or sunny conditions during their growing season
(spring and early summer). They prefer half shade to full, light shade.
Much like bluebells.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

The message <e5crfk$261$1 [at] gemini.csx.cam.ac.uk>
from nmm1 [at] cus.cam.ac.uk (Nick Maclaren) contains these words:


> In article <1148832306.705705.323130 [at] 38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> "Martin Pentreath" <martin_pentreath [at] hotmail.com> writes:
> |> Alan Holmes wrote:
> |>
> |> > And remember they always travel north so do not plant them on a
> south facing
> |> > fence/wall.
> |>
> |> Not sure I understand this - I'm about to plant some. Do you mean that
> |> when they spread of their own accord that they tend to do so only
> |> towards the north?

> They don't like hot, dry or sunny conditions during their growing season
> (spring and early summer). They prefer half shade to full, light shade.
> Much like bluebells.


I have some Lily-of-the Valley growing in quite dense shade. They are
spreading happily but not flowering. Is this is likely to be lack of
light?

Janet G

Janet Galpin <decoy.farm [at] zetnet.co.uk> writes
>The message <e5crfk$261$1 [at] gemini.csx.cam.ac.uk>
>from nmm1 [at] cus.cam.ac.uk (Nick Maclaren) contains these words:
>
>
>> In article <1148832306.705705.323130 [at] 38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
>> "Martin Pentreath" <martin_pentreath [at] hotmail.com> writes:
>> |> Alan Holmes wrote:
>> |>
>> |> > And remember they always travel north so do not plant them on a
>> south facing
>> |> > fence/wall.
>> |>
>> |> Not sure I understand this - I'm about to plant some. Do you mean that
>> |> when they spread of their own accord that they tend to do so only
>> |> towards the north?
>
>> They don't like hot, dry or sunny conditions during their growing season
>> (spring and early summer). They prefer half shade to full, light shade.
>> Much like bluebells.
>
>
>I have some Lily-of-the Valley growing in quite dense shade. They are
>spreading happily but not flowering. Is this is likely to be lack of
>light?
>
I wouldn't have thought so. I have some in a north facing garden under a
magnolia stellata with branches to the ground, and more under a dwarf
willow - both sets flowering well
--
Kay

The message <1gWqo6ASMseEFweU [at] scarboro.demon.co.uk>
from K <k [at] scarboro.demon.co.uk> contains these words:

> Janet Galpin <decoy.farm [at] zetnet.co.uk> writes
> >The message <e5crfk$261$1 [at] gemini.csx.cam.ac.uk>
> >from nmm1 [at] cus.cam.ac.uk (Nick Maclaren) contains these words:
> >
> >
> >> They don't like hot, dry or sunny conditions during their growing season
> >> (spring and early summer). They prefer half shade to full, light shade.
> >> Much like bluebells.
> >
> >
> >I have some Lily-of-the Valley growing in quite dense shade. They are
> >spreading happily but not flowering. Is this is likely to be lack of
> >light?
> >
> I wouldn't have thought so. I have some in a north facing garden under a
> magnolia stellata with branches to the ground, and more under a dwarf
> willow - both sets flowering well
> --
> Kay

Interesting. They pop up amidst a ground cover of ivy so I suppose
dryness and competition from the ivy are the other two possibilities.

I should perhaps have said very dense shade, though, rather than quite
dense shade. They are north of a wall and right under a very large
juniper which grows horizontally about a metre and a half above the
ground.

Janet G

Janet Galpin <decoy.farm [at] zetnet.co.uk> writes
>The message <1gWqo6ASMseEFweU [at] scarboro.demon.co.uk>
>from K <k [at] scarboro.demon.co.uk> contains these words:
>
>Interesting. They pop up amidst a ground cover of ivy so I suppose
>dryness and competition from the ivy are the other two possibilities.
>
>I should perhaps have said very dense shade, though, rather than quite
>dense shade. They are north of a wall and right under a very large
>juniper which grows horizontally about a metre and a half above the
>ground.
>
Not very different in this respect from mine - the willow is very dense
and only about a foot from the ground, and on the north side of the
house.

My experience is that they migrate rather than cease flowering - I have
a patch which is wandering away from an encroaching japanese quince.
There's no shortage of flowers on the quince side, just fewer plants.
--
Kay

In article <3130303036353939447A5E5121 [at] zetnet.co.uk>,
Janet Galpin <decoy.farm [at] zetnet.co.uk> writes:
|>
|> > They don't like hot, dry or sunny conditions during their growing season
|> > (spring and early summer). They prefer half shade to full, light shade.
|> > Much like bluebells.
|>
|> I have some Lily-of-the Valley growing in quite dense shade. They are
|> spreading happily but not flowering. Is this is likely to be lack of
|> light?

Could be.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

In article <1gWqo6ASMseEFweU [at] scarboro.demon.co.uk>,
K <k [at] scarboro.demon.co.uk> writes:
|> >
|> >I have some Lily-of-the Valley growing in quite dense shade. They are
|> >spreading happily but not flowering. Is this is likely to be lack of
|> >light?
|> >
|> I wouldn't have thought so. I have some in a north facing garden under a
|> magnolia stellata with branches to the ground, and more under a dwarf
|> willow - both sets flowering well

Both are deciduous, so there will be light and water in spring. Even
bluebells don't do well under evergreens, even when there is plenty of
water.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Nick Maclaren <nmm1 [at] cus.cam.ac.uk> writes
>
>In article <1gWqo6ASMseEFweU [at] scarboro.demon.co.uk>,
>K <k [at] scarboro.demon.co.uk> writes:
>|> >
>|> >I have some Lily-of-the Valley growing in quite dense shade. They are
>|> >spreading happily but not flowering. Is this is likely to be lack of
>|> >light?
>|> >
>|> I wouldn't have thought so. I have some in a north facing garden under a
>|> magnolia stellata with branches to the ground, and more under a dwarf
>|> willow - both sets flowering well
>
>Both are deciduous, so there will be light and water in spring. Even
>bluebells don't do well under evergreens, even when there is plenty of
>water.
>
Both had good leaf cover before the lily of the valley appeared, so I'm
not sure how valid the argument about light is. Water is likely to be
the key factor.
--
Kay

In article <qfidnjJAFxeEFwv7 [at] scarboro.demon.co.uk>,
K <k [at] scarboro.demon.co.uk> writes:
|> >
|> >Both are deciduous, so there will be light and water in spring. Even
|> >bluebells don't do well under evergreens, even when there is plenty of
|> >water.
|> >
|> Both had good leaf cover before the lily of the valley appeared, so I'm
|> not sure how valid the argument about light is. Water is likely to be
|> the key factor.

Could well be, but they still wouldn't make dense shade - there is a
world of difference between the shade under such things and under, say,
solid holly or conifers. They (like bluebells etc.) certainly thrive
on a fraction the amount of light that most grasses need, but I have
never seen any photosynthetic plant do well in the UK in dense shade
(unicellular algae excluded), water or no water.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Nick Maclaren <nmm1 [at] cus.cam.ac.uk> writes
>
>In article <qfidnjJAFxeEFwv7 [at] scarboro.demon.co.uk>,
>K <k [at] scarboro.demon.co.uk> writes:
>|> >
>|> >Both are deciduous, so there will be light and water in spring. Even
>|> >bluebells don't do well under evergreens, even when there is plenty of
>|> >water.
>|> >
>|> Both had good leaf cover before the lily of the valley appeared, so I'm
>|> not sure how valid the argument about light is. Water is likely to be
>|> the key factor.
>
>Could well be, but they still wouldn't make dense shade - there is a
>world of difference between the shade under such things and under, say,
>solid holly or conifers.

I'd agree with you about the magnolia, but the willow is a relatively
dwarf one with incredibly dense foliage in many layers - it's certainly
denser shade than the nearby holly. I'd have thought it was comparable
to a juniper with a metre and a half clearance - that's if I've read
Janet's post correctly.


--
Kay

"Nick Maclaren" <nmm1 [at] cus.cam.ac.uk> wrote in message
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>
> In article <qfidnjJAFxeEFwv7 [at] scarboro.demon.co.uk>,
> K <k [at] scarboro.demon.co.uk> writes:
> |> >
> |> >Both are deciduous, so there will be light and water in spring. Even
> |> >bluebells don't do well under evergreens, even when there is plenty of
> |> >water.
> |> >
> |> Both had good leaf cover before the lily of the valley appeared, so I'm
> |> not sure how valid the argument about light is. Water is likely to be
> |> the key factor.
>
> Could well be, but they still wouldn't make dense shade - there is a
> world of difference between the shade under such things and under, say,
> solid holly or conifers. They (like bluebells etc.) certainly thrive
> on a fraction the amount of light that most grasses need, but I have
> never seen any photosynthetic plant do well in the UK in dense shade
> (unicellular algae excluded), water or no water.
>
>
> Regards,
> Nick Maclaren.

Just to complicate things my Lily -of -the -valley do fine (too fine) in
full sun
They are a perennial weed which run several metres each year. I admit that
they are partly shaded by up and coming perennials.
Of much more importance to me is your comment about no plants doing well in
dense shade. Can you clarify your comment as I think I have several plants
which prefer dense shade ?

In article <447b7aaa [at] 212.67.96.135>,
"Rupert \(W.Yorkshire\)" <reply [at] newsgroups.com> writes:
|>
|> Just to complicate things my Lily -of -the -valley do fine (too fine) in
|> full sun
|> They are a perennial weed which run several metres each year. I admit that
|> they are partly shaded by up and coming perennials.

Then that's not full sun :-)

Like ground elder and bluebells, they will stop growing in hot, dry
conditions and be crowded out by plants that prefer those. They certainly
don't drop dead in full sun (unlike certain primulas etc.)

|> Of much more importance to me is your comment about no plants doing well in
|> dense shade. Can you clarify your comment as I think I have several plants
|> which prefer dense shade ?

As in 'dark'! I have seen areas of dense shade with ample water, where
a stream runs though (evergreen) woodland or in a location surrounded
by high buildings, and damn all grows there. The point is that the UK
receives at most 35% of theoretical peak insolation, even at noon in
flaming June, and such locations get only a small amount of light and
then only for a very short period (say, 5 weeks a year).

In the tropics, somewhere with a comparable amount of shade will get
up to twice the light, and for 52 weeks a year.

You may specialise in broomrapes, of course, which DO grow well in
deep shade :-)


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

"Nick Maclaren" <nmm1 [at] cus.cam.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:e5gs4u$f24$1 [at] gemini.csx.cam.ac.uk...
>
> In article <447b7aaa [at] 212.67.96.135>,
> "Rupert \(W.Yorkshire\)" <reply [at] newsgroups.com> writes:
<snip>

> |> Of much more importance to me is your comment about no plants doing
> well in
> |> dense shade. Can you clarify your comment as I think I have several
> plants
> |> which prefer dense shade ?
>
> As in 'dark'! I have seen areas of dense shade with ample water, where
> a stream runs though (evergreen) woodland or in a location surrounded
> by high buildings, and damn all grows there. The point is that the UK
> receives at most 35% of theoretical peak insolation, even at noon in
> flaming June, and such locations get only a small amount of light and
> then only for a very short period (say, 5 weeks a year).
>
> In the tropics, somewhere with a comparable amount of shade will get
> up to twice the light, and for 52 weeks a year.
>
> You may specialise in broomrapes, of course, which DO grow well in
> deep shade :-)
>
>
> Regards,
> Nick Maclaren.

Oh those bloomin broomrape things they get everywhere --bloody weeds:-)