Hello,

Can anybody tell me if I am going to require Planning Permission to
erect an aluminium greenhouse (6' x 10') in my garden. I live in a
conservation area, so if the answer is "yes" to the PP, how much am I
going to have to pay?

"pea_thrower" <pea_thrower [at] yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1148544146.421069.277560 [at] g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Hello,
>
> Can anybody tell me if I am going to require Planning Permission to
> erect an aluminium greenhouse (6' x 10') in my garden. I live in a
> conservation area, so if the answer is "yes" to the PP, how much am I
> going to have to pay?
>

Different areas different ideas :-((

My last house was in an Area of Outstanding Beauty (AOB) and the previous
owner did have a greenhouse there, (we took it over and as far as I know is
still there) but a) he worked on the council!! ;-) ;-) know what I mean and
b) that was rather a long time ago. My gut reaction is yes you will need it,
but if you give Planning a call, or even write to them, the you will get a
better picture for where you live. A quick telephone call would be a starter
and if they do say yes, submit your own simple pencil/pen and ink
drawings/layout first. Do NOT go to the expense of getting and architect
etc. I have in the past submitted simple plans for extensions and 'talked
through them' over the counter :-))

Hope that helps. Talk to them first :-))

Mike



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That helps a lot, thanks Mike.

I've a feeling that if there's the slightest chance that the council
can screw some money out of me then they're going to take it. However,
if they insist on any formal drawings then I'll abandon the idea.

Cheers

On Thu, 25 May 2006 09:02:26 +0100, pea_thrower wrote
(in article <1148544146.421069.277560 [at] g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>):

> Hello,
>
> Can anybody tell me if I am going to require Planning Permission to
> erect an aluminium greenhouse (6' x 10') in my garden. I live in a
> conservation area, so if the answer is "yes" to the PP, how much am I
> going to have to pay?

Stating the obvious, why don't you just phone up your local planning officer
and ask? We are also in a conservation area, also an AONB, and planning
restrictions are very tight. We erected our greenhouse on loose-laid breeze
blocks (not a permanent foundation) so as far as we are concerned it is not a
permanent structure. No-one has complained yet (please don't all rush to do
so .....)



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Burne-Jones/William Morris window in Shropshire church:
http://www.whitton-stmarys.org.uk

Sally Thompson wrote:
> On Thu, 25 May 2006 09:02:26 +0100, pea_thrower wrote
> (in article <1148544146.421069.277560 [at] g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>):
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > Can anybody tell me if I am going to require Planning Permission to
> > erect an aluminium greenhouse (6' x 10') in my garden. I live in a
> > conservation area, so if the answer is "yes" to the PP, how much am I
> > going to have to pay?
>
> Stating the obvious, why don't you just phone up your local planning officer
> and ask? We are also in a conservation area, also an AONB, and planning
> restrictions are very tight. We erected our greenhouse on loose-laid breeze
> blocks (not a permanent foundation) so as far as we are concerned it is not a
> permanent structure. No-one has complained yet (please don't all rush to do
> so .....)
>
>
>
> --
> Sally in Shropshire, UK
> bed and breakfast near Ludlow: http://www.stonybrook-ludlow.co.uk
> Burne-Jones/William Morris window in Shropshire church:
> http://www.whitton-stmarys.org.uk

Good question Sally, the answer is, that I may erect it without
permission and I don't want the buggers to know who I am, just in case
they come sneaking around after their pound (or several hundred pounds)
of flesh. Like the idea of the concrete blocks though,
I could always use one to belt any unwelcome council snoopers.

In message <1148544146.421069.277560 [at] g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
pea_thrower <pea_thrower [at] yahoo.co.uk> writes
>Hello,
>
>Can anybody tell me if I am going to require Planning Permission to
>erect an aluminium greenhouse (6' x 10') in my garden. I live in a
>conservation area, so if the answer is "yes" to the PP, how much am I
>going to have to pay?
>
you may find this helpful:

http://www.direct.gov.uk/HomeAndCommunity/Planning/fs/en

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On Thu, 25 May 2006 11:00:28 +0100, Sally Thompson wrote
(in article <0001HW.C09B3ECC01D43617F0284530 [at] news.individual.net>):

> On Thu, 25 May 2006 09:02:26 +0100, pea_thrower wrote
> (in article <1148544146.421069.277560 [at] g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>):
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Can anybody tell me if I am going to require Planning Permission to
>> erect an aluminium greenhouse (6' x 10') in my garden. I live in a
>> conservation area, so if the answer is "yes" to the PP, how much am I
>> going to have to pay?
>
> Stating the obvious, why don't you just phone up your local planning officer
> and ask? We are also in a conservation area, also an AONB, and planning
> restrictions are very tight. We erected our greenhouse on loose-laid breeze
> blocks (not a permanent foundation) so as far as we are concerned it is not a

> permanent structure. No-one has complained yet (please don't all rush to do
> so .....)
>
>

How very cloak and dagger! But I doubt they'll ask your name just for a
simple enquiry. However, if you're concerned, put whatever-the-code-is
before your number so that it is withheld and call yourself Joe Bloggs.
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www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
email address on web site

Thanks for the advice, I might do that and just keep the "concrete
block" option in reserve.

pea_thrower Wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Can anybody tell me if I am going to require Planning Permission to
> erect an aluminium greenhouse (6' x 10') in my garden. I live in a
> conservation area, so if the answer is "yes" to the PP, how much am I
> going to have to pay?

If you live in a conservation area, the only way you will find the
answer to that question is to phone up the planning department of your
local council and ask them. In most areas, they answer the phone and
talk to you.


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Thanks for the reply. Dave &/or Stella provided a link to "planning
site", but it was too general and failed to deal with the problems
somebody who doesn't want to pay the council a ha'penny faces, when
trying to erect the greenhouse of his dreams. The phone call it is
then. I thought something along the lines of
"A friend of mine who lives miles and miles away from me, wants to
know......................." Cunning eh?

Rather more seriously, do you know if the rules and regs that
cover/control what I want to do, are common throughout the uk, or am I
at the mercy of some retired major general and a leading light in the
Womens Institute on the planning committee?

"pea_thrower" <pea_thrower [at] yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1148546573.787712.42440 [at] j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> That helps a lot, thanks Mike.
>
> I've a feeling that if there's the slightest chance that the council
> can screw some money out of me then they're going to take it. However,
> if they insist on any formal drawings then I'll abandon the idea.
>
> Cheers
>

I have just telephoned our Planning Department and asked a few questions:-))
It helps that I am well known and can get the answers :-))

In a Consevation Area, you MUST apply for Planning Permission IF your
greenhouse is MORE than 10 Cubic Metres capacity. TEN CUBIC METRES!!! My
calculations gives it 9.94 Metres if you have a 6ft headroom all over. Most
drop at the sides to 4ft??

I think that is the end of the story :-))

Steam ahead and put your Greenhouse up.

"IF" anyone comes snooping round, quote me and the Isle of Wight Planning
Department and take a copy of this posting :-))

Mike
Isle of Wight where we have conservation areas AND AONBs



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On Thu, 25 May 2006 15:21:36 +0100, pea_thrower wrote
(in article <1148566895.989366.273780 [at] g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>):

> Thanks for the reply. Dave &/or Stella provided a link to "planning
> site", but it was too general and failed to deal with the problems
> somebody who doesn't want to pay the council a ha'penny faces, when
> trying to erect the greenhouse of his dreams. The phone call it is
> then. I thought something along the lines of
> "A friend of mine who lives miles and miles away from me, wants to
> know......................." Cunning eh?
>
> Rather more seriously, do you know if the rules and regs that
> cover/control what I want to do, are common throughout the uk, or am I
> at the mercy of some retired major general and a leading light in the
> Womens Institute on the planning committee?
>

Every area has its own planning regs or byelaws. What happens in a city in
Cheshire might not be appropriate for a hamlet in Surrey. I would be very
cautious and avoid an expensive mistake by checking with your own local
authority.

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Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
email address on web site

>
> Every area has its own planning regs or byelaws. What happens in a city
in
> Cheshire might not be appropriate for a hamlet in Surrey. I would be very
> cautious and avoid an expensive mistake by checking with your own local
> authority.
>
> --
> Sacha


Conseration areas and AONBs are conservation areas and AONBs whether North
South East or West

Mike


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> >
> > Every area has its own planning regs or byelaws. What happens in a city
> in
> > Cheshire might not be appropriate for a hamlet in Surrey. I would be
very
> > cautious and avoid an expensive mistake by checking with your own local
> > authority.
> >
> > --
> > Sacha
>
>
> Conseration areas and AONBs are conservation areas and AONBs whether North
> South East or West
>
> Mike
>
Sorry my computer missed off the "v" in the first conservation ;-((

Mike



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On Thu, 25 May 2006 15:21:36 +0100, pea_thrower wrote
(in article <1148566895.989366.273780 [at] g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>):

> Thanks for the reply. Dave &/or Stella provided a link to "planning
> site", but it was too general and failed to deal with the problems
> somebody who doesn't want to pay the council a ha'penny faces, when
> trying to erect the greenhouse of his dreams. The phone call it is
> then. I thought something along the lines of
> "A friend of mine who lives miles and miles away from me, wants to
> know......................." Cunning eh?
>
> Rather more seriously, do you know if the rules and regs that
> cover/control what I want to do, are common throughout the uk, or am I
> at the mercy of some retired major general and a leading light in the
> Womens Institute on the planning committee?
>

Just as an add on to what I wrote earlier, have a look at this site.
http://tinyurl.com/ek2yh
It's the government site with regard to conservation areas but there's a lot
more available there, too.

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Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
email address on web site

>
> Just as an add on to what I wrote earlier, have a look at this site.
> http://tinyurl.com/ek2yh
> It's the government site with regard to conservation areas but there's a
lot
> more available there, too.
>
> --
> Sacha
> South Devon
>

But please do talk to your local Planning Department who will confirm my
earlier posting :-)))

Mike
Isle of Wight

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Have a look here:

http://www.odpm.gov.uk/index.asp?id=1144635

As I read it, you are allowed to build as long as it does not exceed 100
cubic metres.

"echinosum" <echinosum.28d9k0 [at] gardenbanter.co.uk> wrote in message
news:echinosum.28d9k0 [at] gardenbanter.co.uk...
>
> pea_thrower Wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Can anybody tell me if I am going to require Planning Permission to
> > erect an aluminium greenhouse (6' x 10') in my garden. I live in a
> > conservation area, so if the answer is "yes" to the PP, how much am I
> > going to have to pay?
>
> If you live in a conservation area, the only way you will find the
> answer to that question is to phone up the planning department of your
> local council and ask them. In most areas, they answer the phone and
> talk to you.
>
>

Whilst it is always good advice to consult the LPA, if in doubt, the general
rule is that one does NOT require planning consent for erection of a garden
building in a conservation area, provided :-

1 It does not exceed 10 cubic metres
2 It is no closer to any highway than the nearest part of the 'original
house", unless there is at least 20 metres between the structure and the
highway.
3. Less than half the area of land around the original house will be
covered by additions or other buildings
4. The building is to be used for purposes ancillary to the domestic use
of the original house.
5. It is no more than 3 metres in height (above highest adjoining ground
level) or 4 metres if it has a ridged roof.

If it fails on any of the baove points, then you would need to apply for PP.
If you went ahead and it transgressed on any point, you might expect this to
be noted by the LPA, since most 'police' conservation areas very strictly,
even to the extent of using aerial photography to check on people's back
yards. You would then be invited to apply for retrospective pp.

Cost (fee payable to council) of a pp application for this sort of thing is
usually circa £135, but conservation area consents may be exempt from
charge - that's definitely worth checking with the LPA :-)

"P.B" <pete [at] nochance.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1edff7c4aff897bc98968b [at] text.news.ntlworld.com...
>
> Have a look here:
>
> http://www.odpm.gov.uk/index.asp?id=1144635
>
> As I read it, you are allowed to build as long as it does not exceed 100
> cubic metres.


!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TEN Cubic Metres

:-(((((((((((((((((((((

OOOOoooooooooppppppppppppppppppssssssssssssssss ;-))

Mike


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Mike, thanks very much for taking all that trouble, it's much
appreciated.

Computers are ery prone to do that.

Cost (fee payable to council) of a pp application for this sort of
thing is
usually circa =A3135

I thought Dick Turpin was dead!

BAC wrote:
> "echinosum" <echinosum.28d9k0 [at] gardenbanter.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:echinosum.28d9k0 [at] gardenbanter.co.uk...
>> pea_thrower Wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Can anybody tell me if I am going to require Planning Permission to
>>> erect an aluminium greenhouse (6' x 10') in my garden. I live in a
>>> conservation area, so if the answer is "yes" to the PP, how much am I
>>> going to have to pay?
>> If you live in a conservation area, the only way you will find the
>> answer to that question is to phone up the planning department of your
>> local council and ask them. In most areas, they answer the phone and
>> talk to you.
>>
>>
>
> Whilst it is always good advice to consult the LPA, if in doubt, the general
> rule is that one does NOT require planning consent for erection of a garden
> building in a conservation area, provided :-
>
> 1 It does not exceed 10 cubic metres
> 2 It is no closer to any highway than the nearest part of the 'original
> house", unless there is at least 20 metres between the structure and the
> highway.
> 3. Less than half the area of land around the original house will be
> covered by additions or other buildings
> 4. The building is to be used for purposes ancillary to the domestic use
> of the original house.
> 5. It is no more than 3 metres in height (above highest adjoining ground
> level) or 4 metres if it has a ridged roof.
>
> If it fails on any of the baove points, then you would need to apply for PP.
> If you went ahead and it transgressed on any point, you might expect this to
> be noted by the LPA, since most 'police' conservation areas very strictly,
> even to the extent of using aerial photography to check on people's back
> yards. You would then be invited to apply for retrospective pp.
>
> Cost (fee payable to council) of a pp application for this sort of thing is
> usually circa £135, but conservation area consents may be exempt from
> charge - that's definitely worth checking with the LPA :-)
>
>
One other proviso, you cannot erect such beneath the canopy of a tree
with a TPO. :-(

An excellent document - thanks

> >
> One other proviso, you cannot erect such beneath the canopy of a tree
> with a TPO. :-(

:-((

That's interesting. What happens if the tree with a TPO on, is in a
neighbour's garden, or in the case I am thinking, is a public park, and
overhangs your garden?

I am thinking of a case I was involved with a couple of years back where the
Local Parish Council bought an old football ground to return it to its
former use. The whole site had a blanket TPO on it and as I said, some trees
went over neighbours gardens!!

Mike


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Mike wrote:
>> One other proviso, you cannot erect such beneath the canopy of a tree
>> with a TPO. :-(
>
> :-((
>
> That's interesting. What happens if the tree with a TPO on, is in a
> neighbour's garden, or in the case I am thinking, is a public park, and
> overhangs your garden?
>
> I am thinking of a case I was involved with a couple of years back where the
> Local Parish Council bought an old football ground to return it to its
> former use. The whole site had a blanket TPO on it and as I said, some trees
> went over neighbours gardens!!
>
> Mike
>
>
I assume (note assume) that it would still apply, otherwise the rule
would be , which I think it is anyway.

pea_thrower <pea_thrower [at] yahoo.co.uk> writes
>An excellent document - thanks
>
It would help enormously if you could quote a bit of what it is you're
replying to!

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