yeh mate things are going quiet well.

moved from rural now back to the 'burb's, got a quicky garden going as
we ahve heaps to do here ie.,. patio, carport, pool a space for at
least one 5,400 gal tank, a bit of fencing then heaps of tree buying
and planting.

anyway come on over to my web page or better still to ausgardens.com,
got lots of caht going there, check the blog and section i got some
projects and essay's there, might inspire some might not too hey
lol???

enjoy all hey?


With peace and brightest of blessings,

len

--
"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

http://mywebsite.bigpond.com/gardenlen2/

should read:

http://ausgarden.com



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With peace and brightest of blessings,

len

--
"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

http://mywebsite.bigpond.com/gardenlen2/

Gees mate back to the burbs, that explains ADSL eh? I'll check out the
webpage in a minute or two. Good luck with the transformation.
Jim

"gardenlen" <gardenlen2 [at] bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:a6sh72h33rkbtpk0pmjh1cpps07qsanda3 [at] 4ax.com...
> yeh mate things are going quiet well.
>
> moved from rural now back to the 'burb's, got a quicky garden going as
> we ahve heaps to do here ie.,. patio, carport, pool a space for at
> least one 5,400 gal tank, a bit of fencing then heaps of tree buying
> and planting.
>
> anyway come on over to my web page or better still to ausgardens.com,
> got lots of caht going there, check the blog and section i got some
> projects and essay's there, might inspire some might not too hey
> lol???
>
> enjoy all hey?
>
>
> With peace and brightest of blessings,
>
> len
>
> --
> "Be Content With What You Have And
> May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
> A World That You May Not Understand."
>
> http://mywebsite.bigpond.com/gardenlen2/

> "gardenlen" <gardenlen2 [at] bigpond.com> wrote in message
> news:a6sh72h33rkbtpk0pmjh1cpps07qsanda3 [at] 4ax.com...
> > yeh mate things are going quiet well.
> >
> > moved from rural now back to the 'burb's, got a quicky garden going as
> > we ahve heaps to do here ie.,. patio, carport, pool a space for at
> > least one 5,400 gal tank, a bit of fencing then heaps of tree buying
> > and planting.
> >
> > anyway come on over to my web page or better still to ausgardens.com,
> > got lots of caht going there, check the blog and section i got some
> > projects and essay's there, might inspire some might not too hey
> > lol???
> >
> > enjoy all hey?
> >
> >
> > With peace and brightest of blessings,
> >
> > len

Are you preparing for peak oil Len? Needing to be closer in to the city for
cycling distance to amenities and the like?

rob

gardenlen wrote:
> yeh mate things are going quiet well.
>
> moved from rural now back to the 'burb's, got a quicky garden going as
> we ahve heaps to do here ie.,. patio, carport, pool a space for at
> least one 5,400 gal tank, a bit of fencing then heaps of tree buying
> and planting.
>
> anyway come on over to my web page or better still to ausgardens.com,
> got lots of caht going there, check the blog and section i got some
> projects and essay's there, might inspire some might not too hey
> lol???
>
> enjoy all hey?
>
>
> With peace and brightest of blessings,
>
> len
>
> --
> "Be Content With What You Have And
> May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
> A World That You May Not Understand."
>
> http://mywebsite.bigpond.com/gardenlen2/

Great website although I don't subsribe to the 'cosmic energy' stuff
about planets being in allignment or the moon etc... Rest is great..

thanks supreme dalek,

just me supporting a fellow gardener, and for those who aspire to
other means.

maybe i should have a political footnote ie.,. the author of this site
does not necessarily share the opinions of other sites.

enjoy



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With peace and brightest of blessings,

len

--
"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

http://mywebsite.bigpond.com/gardenlen2/

g'day deorge,

not realy mate other issues at stake here, not sure about peak oil or
what it may stand for? but just watching suburbia and the waste of
resource by the masses, we might be burning bits of paper to keep warm
and washing under summer rain storms.

i mean there are more huge gas guzzling 4X's in the 'burbs than we
ever saw in rural, and all just to deliver prodgoney to school.

i said to my little bro' the other day "we are an intelligent race of
people - but we aren't very smart"

all opinions are my own

enjoy

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With peace and brightest of blessings,

len

--
"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

http://mywebsite.bigpond.com/gardenlen2/

In article <ithm725dgkio46tbced9n671qobmq7tmf3 [at] 4ax.com>,
gardenlen <gardenlen2 [at] bigpond.com> wrote:

> i mean there are more huge gas guzzling 4X's in the 'burbs than we
> ever saw in rural, and all just to deliver prodgoney to school.

There's a reason people call them Mosman/Toorak tractors!

--
Chookie -- Sydney, Australia
(Replace "foulspambegone" with "optushome" to reply)

"Parenthood is like the modern stone washing process for denim jeans. You may
start out crisp, neat and tough, but you end up pale, limp and wrinkled."
Kerry Cue

lol lol chookie,

i mean they just look so silly even driving the things in the 'burbs,
need 48 point turn to park them in shop centre car parks, and muscles
like scwatsies brain to turn the steer wheel, oh and a step aldder to
get in and out of them.

ah well the rising fuel prices might put a damper on their popularity,
can't even finger the yuppies alone anymore these ones where we are
are in a lower socio economic high welfare area.



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With peace and brightest of blessings,

len

--
"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

http://mywebsite.bigpond.com/gardenlen2/

"Chookie" <ehrebeniuk [at] fowlspambegone.com.au> wrote in message
news:ehrebeniuk-985D62.17362330052006 [at] news-vip.optusnet.com.au...
> In article <ithm725dgkio46tbced9n671qobmq7tmf3 [at] 4ax.com>,
> gardenlen <gardenlen2 [at] bigpond.com> wrote:
>
> > i mean there are more huge gas guzzling 4X's in the 'burbs than we
> > ever saw in rural, and all just to deliver prodgoney to school.
>
> There's a reason people call them Mosman/Toorak tractors!

called Remuera tractors over here. The little shits should try walking or
cycling to school, there wouldn't be 1/2 the traffic on the roads in the
morning if some dumb mum/dad (insert whatever replacement words fits for
you) didn't take the single kid 1/2 way across town to school and 1/2 the
shits wouldn't be near as fat as they are.

rob

"George.com" <roblyn [at] ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
news:e5m6hj$qqs$1 [at] lust.ihug.co.nz...
>
> "Chookie" <ehrebeniuk [at] fowlspambegone.com.au> wrote in message
> news:ehrebeniuk-985D62.17362330052006 [at] news-vip.optusnet.com.au...
>> In article <ithm725dgkio46tbced9n671qobmq7tmf3 [at] 4ax.com>,
>> gardenlen <gardenlen2 [at] bigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>> > i mean there are more huge gas guzzling 4X's in the 'burbs than we
>> > ever saw in rural, and all just to deliver prodgoney to school.
>>
>> There's a reason people call them Mosman/Toorak tractors!
>
> called Remuera tractors over here. The little shits should try walking or
> cycling to school, there wouldn't be 1/2 the traffic on the roads in the
> morning if some dumb mum/dad (insert whatever replacement words fits for
> you) didn't take the single kid 1/2 way across town to school and 1/2 the
> shits wouldn't be near as fat as they are.

is that a fact. don't you think it's the four-wheel-drivers who are the
"shits" in this issue? no kid i know gets to choose the family car, nor gets
to choose until they're much older which method they get to school with,
either. the only "shits" in the equation as far as i can see are the shits
who clog up the roads because _they_ are too lazy or paranoid to walk,
making walking & cycling less safe for other people, which includes other
people's children (and their own) who DO walk or cycle to school.

i don't mind it if you call a shit a shit, but you've got completely the
wrong shit here.
kylie

"gardenlen" <gardenlen2 [at] bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:ithm725dgkio46tbced9n671qobmq7tmf3 [at] 4ax.com...
> g'day deorge,
>
> not realy mate other issues at stake here, not sure about peak oil or
> what it may stand for? but just watching suburbia and the waste of
> resource by the masses, we might be burning bits of paper to keep warm
> and washing under summer rain storms.

i hate the suburbs. i'm getting out of here as fast as i can (but
unfortunately that's just not fast enough). i hope you enjoy your stint, but
for me, i'm NEVER, EVER coming back.

> i mean there are more huge gas guzzling 4X's in the 'burbs than we
> ever saw in rural, and all just to deliver prodgoney to school.

it's painful to look at, isn't it.

> i said to my little bro' the other day "we are an intelligent race of
> people - but we aren't very smart"

i kind of agree but kind of disagree - some of us are smart. we just have to
put up with those who aren't :-) all i want is to not have to look at them
all day any more.
happy gardening! (i know it's the only thing keeping ME sane here in the
burbs).
kylie

"0tterbot" <spl [at] t.com> wrote in message
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> "George.com" <roblyn [at] ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
> news:e5m6hj$qqs$1 [at] lust.ihug.co.nz...
> >
> > "Chookie" <ehrebeniuk [at] fowlspambegone.com.au> wrote in message
> > news:ehrebeniuk-985D62.17362330052006 [at] news-vip.optusnet.com.au...
> >> In article <ithm725dgkio46tbced9n671qobmq7tmf3 [at] 4ax.com>,
> >> gardenlen <gardenlen2 [at] bigpond.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > i mean there are more huge gas guzzling 4X's in the 'burbs than we
> >> > ever saw in rural, and all just to deliver prodgoney to school.
> >>
> >> There's a reason people call them Mosman/Toorak tractors!
> >
> > called Remuera tractors over here. The little shits should try walking
or
> > cycling to school, there wouldn't be 1/2 the traffic on the roads in the
> > morning if some dumb mum/dad (insert whatever replacement words fits for
> > you) didn't take the single kid 1/2 way across town to school and 1/2
the
> > shits wouldn't be near as fat as they are.
>
> is that a fact. don't you think it's the four-wheel-drivers who are the
> "shits" in this issue? no kid i know gets to choose the family car, nor
gets
> to choose until they're much older which method they get to school with,
> either. the only "shits" in the equation as far as i can see are the shits
> who clog up the roads because _they_ are too lazy or paranoid to walk,
> making walking & cycling less safe for other people, which includes other
> people's children (and their own) who DO walk or cycle to school.
>
> i don't mind it if you call a shit a shit, but you've got completely the
> wrong shit here.
> kylie

a point of correction obviously needed here otterbot, I was meaning the
little shits. Its the little shits who get driven to school by, to adopt
your usage, the 'shits'.

"George.com" <roblyn [at] ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
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>
> "0tterbot" <spl [at] t.com> wrote in message
> news:nZxfg.1525$ap3.1467 [at] news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> "George.com" <roblyn [at] ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
>> news:e5m6hj$qqs$1 [at] lust.ihug.co.nz...
>> >
>> > "Chookie" <ehrebeniuk [at] fowlspambegone.com.au> wrote in message
>> > news:ehrebeniuk-985D62.17362330052006 [at] news-vip.optusnet.com.au...
>> >> In article <ithm725dgkio46tbced9n671qobmq7tmf3 [at] 4ax.com>,
>> >> gardenlen <gardenlen2 [at] bigpond.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > i mean there are more huge gas guzzling 4X's in the 'burbs than we
>> >> > ever saw in rural, and all just to deliver prodgoney to school.
>> >>
>> >> There's a reason people call them Mosman/Toorak tractors!
>> >
>> > called Remuera tractors over here. The little shits should try walking
> or
>> > cycling to school, there wouldn't be 1/2 the traffic on the roads in
>> > the
>> > morning if some dumb mum/dad (insert whatever replacement words fits
>> > for
>> > you) didn't take the single kid 1/2 way across town to school and 1/2
> the
>> > shits wouldn't be near as fat as they are.
>>
>> is that a fact. don't you think it's the four-wheel-drivers who are the
>> "shits" in this issue? no kid i know gets to choose the family car, nor
> gets
>> to choose until they're much older which method they get to school with,
>> either. the only "shits" in the equation as far as i can see are the
>> shits
>> who clog up the roads because _they_ are too lazy or paranoid to walk,
>> making walking & cycling less safe for other people, which includes other
>> people's children (and their own) who DO walk or cycle to school.
>>
>> i don't mind it if you call a shit a shit, but you've got completely the
>> wrong shit here.
>> kylie
>
> a point of correction obviously needed here otterbot, I was meaning the
> little shits. Its the little shits who get driven to school by, to adopt
> your usage, the 'shits'.

ah, i see. thank you for the correction.

in that case, i still object to "little shits" based on no evidence being
presented, but that is evidently my problem <g>
kylie

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> "George.com" <roblyn [at] ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
> news:e5mhip$f40$1 [at] lust.ihug.co.nz...
> >
> > "0tterbot" <spl [at] t.com> wrote in message
> > news:nZxfg.1525$ap3.1467 [at] news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> >> "George.com" <roblyn [at] ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
> >> news:e5m6hj$qqs$1 [at] lust.ihug.co.nz...
> >> >
> >> > "Chookie" <ehrebeniuk [at] fowlspambegone.com.au> wrote in message
> >> > news:ehrebeniuk-985D62.17362330052006 [at] news-vip.optusnet.com.au...
> >> >> In article <ithm725dgkio46tbced9n671qobmq7tmf3 [at] 4ax.com>,
> >> >> gardenlen <gardenlen2 [at] bigpond.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > i mean there are more huge gas guzzling 4X's in the 'burbs than we
> >> >> > ever saw in rural, and all just to deliver prodgoney to school.
> >> >>
> >> >> There's a reason people call them Mosman/Toorak tractors!
> >> >
> >> > called Remuera tractors over here. The little shits should try
walking
> > or
> >> > cycling to school, there wouldn't be 1/2 the traffic on the roads in
> >> > the
> >> > morning if some dumb mum/dad (insert whatever replacement words fits
> >> > for
> >> > you) didn't take the single kid 1/2 way across town to school and 1/2
> > the
> >> > shits wouldn't be near as fat as they are.
> >>
> >> is that a fact. don't you think it's the four-wheel-drivers who are the
> >> "shits" in this issue? no kid i know gets to choose the family car, nor
> > gets
> >> to choose until they're much older which method they get to school
with,
> >> either. the only "shits" in the equation as far as i can see are the
> >> shits
> >> who clog up the roads because _they_ are too lazy or paranoid to walk,
> >> making walking & cycling less safe for other people, which includes
other
> >> people's children (and their own) who DO walk or cycle to school.
> >>
> >> i don't mind it if you call a shit a shit, but you've got completely
the
> >> wrong shit here.
> >> kylie
> >
> > a point of correction obviously needed here otterbot, I was meaning the
> > little shits. Its the little shits who get driven to school by, to adopt
> > your usage, the 'shits'.
>
> ah, i see. thank you for the correction.
>
> in that case, i still object to "little shits" based on no evidence being
> presented, but that is evidently my problem <g>
> kylie

evidence you say, my nieces and nephew as examples.

rob

In article <lc6p72loma77djsmtvv4un5co0i0mn6p4b [at] 4ax.com>,
gardenlen <gardenlen2 [at] bigpond.com> wrote:

> lol lol chookie,
>
> i mean they just look so silly even driving the things in the 'burbs,
> need 48 point turn to park them in shop centre car parks, and muscles
> like scwatsies brain to turn the steer wheel, oh and a step aldder to
> get in and out of them.

<groan>

Tell me about it!

The only time they don't look silly is when you are crossing a road and one
comes flying round the corner, the driver is yapping into her mobile, and she
STILL HASN'T SEEN YOU as you leap out of the way.

THe Herald Good Weekend did a great hatchet job on 4WDs last year, saying that
according to official car company research they were being bought by impotent
middle-aged men!

--
Chookie -- Sydney, Australia
(Replace "foulspambegone" with "optushome" to reply)

"Parenthood is like the modern stone washing process for denim jeans. You may
start out crisp, neat and tough, but you end up pale, limp and wrinkled."
Kerry Cue

g'day chookie,

oh right pick on us oldies blokes hey waht about these fems' with the
mobiles glued to both sides of the fuse box?? hey.

like ya said they got one objective and that is to get from point 'a'
to point 'b' and dnag the consequences.



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With peace and brightest of blessings,

len

--
"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

http://mywebsite.bigpond.com/gardenlen2/

g'day kylie,

yes i had that fleeting thought of saying never, never, but found out
that we probably can never say "never". it comes under the being
flexible heading.

yeh specially painful as fuel prices rcoket ever upward and we
cringing putting fuel in out little effitient beast and they paying
near $200 to fill those giants, pretty much just to do the shopping in
and run the kids to school. no matter what the very very few of us try
it won't change the big picture and we all get to go down with the
rest of "them"

yes by not being "smart" i meant as a whole there are those dare i say
like some of us who could fit under the mantle of being smarter, but
as a whole i don't think we are smart enough.

snipped
With peace and brightest of blessings,

len

--
"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

http://mywebsite.bigpond.com/gardenlen2/

In article <a0yfg.1530$ap3.1234 [at] news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
"0tterbot" <spl [at] t.com> wrote:

> i hate the suburbs. i'm getting out of here as fast as i can (but
> unfortunately that's just not fast enough). i hope you enjoy your stint, but
> for me, i'm NEVER, EVER coming back.

I like it here in suburbia. But my garden is large enough to keep me
occupied, and I have two little boys who will grow up to appreciate our
proximity to the city. I like being in a freestanding house but think that
larger blocks than mine are generally wasted.

What don't you like in suburbia, Kylie?

--
Chookie -- Sydney, Australia
(Replace "foulspambegone" with "optushome" to reply)

"Parenthood is like the modern stone washing process for denim jeans. You may
start out crisp, neat and tough, but you end up pale, limp and wrinkled."
Kerry Cue

"Chookie" <ehrebeniuk [at] fowlspambegone.com.au> wrote in message
news:ehrebeniuk-CC507E.21382302062006 [at] news-vip.optusnet.com.au...
> In article <a0yfg.1530$ap3.1234 [at] news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
> "0tterbot" <spl [at] t.com> wrote:
>
>> i hate the suburbs. i'm getting out of here as fast as i can (but
>> unfortunately that's just not fast enough). i hope you enjoy your stint,
>> but
>> for me, i'm NEVER, EVER coming back.
>
> I like it here in suburbia. But my garden is large enough to keep me
> occupied, and I have two little boys who will grow up to appreciate our
> proximity to the city. I like being in a freestanding house but think
> that
> larger blocks than mine are generally wasted.
>
> What don't you like in suburbia, Kylie?

it would be shorter to tell you what i DO like. <g>

1: my kids can have much more physical freedom as there aren't traffic
issues
and 2: (this is probably only specific to the canberra burbs, where i am) i
like the bush bands and massive parks that we have. (unfortunately the big
parks and bush bands only add to the endless spread, so they're actually
part of the problem <g> - merely a pleasant problematic aspect rather than
purely problematic.)

i love cities and i love the country, but this halfway existence in the
burbs is a dispiriting hell. still, it galvanised my interest in gardening,
so nothing's all bad eh :-)
kylie <--- moving to the country soon, hurrah!

"gardenlen" <gardenlen2 [at] bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:hhfu72taena54a5etkcmls61ekned0dm0j [at] 4ax.com...
> g'day kylie,
>
> yes i had that fleeting thought of saying never, never, but found out
> that we probably can never say "never". it comes under the being
> flexible heading.
>
> yeh specially painful as fuel prices rcoket ever upward and we
> cringing putting fuel in out little effitient beast and they paying
> near $200 to fill those giants, pretty much just to do the shopping in
> and run the kids to school. no matter what the very very few of us try
> it won't change the big picture and we all get to go down with the
> rest of "them"

hm, i look at it differently (otherwise i'd worry far too much ;-) - those
"very very few" are becoming more numerous every day; they want to AND
they're realising they have to. and all of us who have kids are making sure
that they too can be part of the solution rather than part of the problem.
and we tell our friends, and they tell their friends, and so it goes.

i mean really - in 20 years nobody will be talking about 4wds (just as one
example), will they? the 4wd fad's already peaked & people are getting real.
things move on, and (although i do wonder sometimes) mostly for the better.

> yes by not being "smart" i meant as a whole there are those dare i say
> like some of us who could fit under the mantle of being smarter, but
> as a whole i don't think we are smart enough.

as a whole, probably not! then again, as a whole we probably never have been
nearly as smart as our best representatives, eh. i used to think we can all
become equally smart, but i don't think that any more. i think people are
just going to be left behind because they cannot get a grip on Modern Life.
but that's another story. :-)
kylie

In article <6_zfg.1586$ap3.1421 [at] news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
"0tterbot" <spl [at] t.com> wrote:

> > a point of correction obviously needed here otterbot, I was meaning the
> > little shits. Its the little shits who get driven to school by, to adopt
> > your usage, the 'shits'.
>
> ah, i see. thank you for the correction.
>
> in that case, i still object to "little shits" based on no evidence being
> presented, but that is evidently my problem <g>

The evidence is in their parents' behaviour, surely?

--
Chookie -- Sydney, Australia
(Replace "foulspambegone" with "optushome" to reply)

"Parenthood is like the modern stone washing process for denim jeans. You may
start out crisp, neat and tough, but you end up pale, limp and wrinkled."
Kerry Cue

"Chookie" <ehrebeniuk [at] fowlspambegone.com.au> wrote in message
news:ehrebeniuk-EEF584.09571606062006 [at] news-vip.optusnet.com.au...
> In article <6_zfg.1586$ap3.1421 [at] news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
> "0tterbot" <spl [at] t.com> wrote:
>
>> > a point of correction obviously needed here otterbot, I was meaning the
>> > little shits. Its the little shits who get driven to school by, to
>> > adopt
>> > your usage, the 'shits'.
>>
>> ah, i see. thank you for the correction.
>>
>> in that case, i still object to "little shits" based on no evidence being
>> presented, but that is evidently my problem <g>
>
> The evidence is in their parents' behaviour, surely?

.... of driving a 4wd? errr - of course!!!!!! if that's not an example of the
apple not falling far from the tree, i don't know what is!! <g>
kylie
whose father owns a 4wd but i'm a big girl now so nobody holds me
responsible (i hope)