We have a fairly mature Mme. Isaac Pereire rose on an arch in the nursery.
This year we have noticed that its colour and scent are much more subdued
than in all the previous years. Normally, this rose is an eye searingly
gorgeous pink and has a scent that knocks you flying.
Has anyone else experienced this with this rose or, indeed, any other?

--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(email address on website)

On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:34:20 +0100, Sacha <sacha [at] privacy.net> wrote:

>We have a fairly mature Mme. Isaac Pereire rose on an arch in the nursery.
>This year we have noticed that its colour and scent are much more subdued
>than in all the previous years. Normally, this rose is an eye searingly
>gorgeous pink and has a scent that knocks you flying.
>Has anyone else experienced this with this rose or, indeed, any other?

We used to have 'New Dawn' in our previous garden; a climber with
lovely very pale pink flowers, but which were getting even paler. My
aunt suggested it needed magnesium, which it duly got and had the
desired effect, which surprised me as my aunt was not known in the
family for her gardening expertise!


--
Chris

E-mail: christopher[dot]hogg[at]virgin[dot]net

On 14/6/06 19:09, in article 6mh092543d36v3gdc4net57k1m0aoenat3 [at] 4ax.com,
"Chris Hogg" <me [at] privacy.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:34:20 +0100, Sacha <sacha [at] privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> We have a fairly mature Mme. Isaac Pereire rose on an arch in the nursery.
>> This year we have noticed that its colour and scent are much more subdued
>> than in all the previous years. Normally, this rose is an eye searingly
>> gorgeous pink and has a scent that knocks you flying.
>> Has anyone else experienced this with this rose or, indeed, any other?
>
> We used to have 'New Dawn' in our previous garden; a climber with
> lovely very pale pink flowers, but which were getting even paler. My
> aunt suggested it needed magnesium, which it duly got and had the
> desired effect, which surprised me as my aunt was not known in the
> family for her gardening expertise!
>
Funnily enough, we talked about that today so Mmme Isaac will be getting the
Rennies soon! Many thanks for confirming that. As I said, this is quite a
mature rose and it's planted in a place where it gets a lot of sun but also
a lot of wind. AND it's competing with a Holboellia and is planted in a
hoggin pathway, so it's not getting much tlc! However, I will also just add
that someone who works for us had a cutting from that rose a year ago and
hers has come up very pale, too!
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(email address on website)

"Sacha" <sacha [at] privacy.net> wrote in message
news:C0B611EB.31B85%sacha [at] privacy.net...
> On 14/6/06 19:09, in article 6mh092543d36v3gdc4net57k1m0aoenat3 [at] 4ax.com,
> "Chris Hogg" <me [at] privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:34:20 +0100, Sacha <sacha [at] privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>>> We have a fairly mature Mme. Isaac Pereire rose on an arch in the
>>> nursery.
>>> This year we have noticed that its colour and scent are much more
>>> subdued
>>> than in all the previous years. Normally, this rose is an eye
>>> searingly
>>> gorgeous pink and has a scent that knocks you flying.
>>> Has anyone else experienced this with this rose or, indeed, any other?
>>
>> We used to have 'New Dawn' in our previous garden; a climber with
>> lovely very pale pink flowers, but which were getting even paler. My
>> aunt suggested it needed magnesium, which it duly got and had the
>> desired effect, which surprised me as my aunt was not known in the
>> family for her gardening expertise!
>>
> Funnily enough, we talked about that today so Mmme Isaac will be getting
> the
> Rennies soon! Many thanks for confirming that. As I said, this is quite a
> mature rose and it's planted in a place where it gets a lot of sun but
> also
> a lot of wind. AND it's competing with a Holboellia and is planted in a
> hoggin pathway, so it's not getting much tlc! However, I will also just
> add
> that someone who works for us had a cutting from that rose a year ago and
> hers has come up very pale, too!
> --
> Sacha
> www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
> South Devon
> (email address on website)
>
Sacha,
What is the best time to take cuttings from climbing roses? I have a friend
who has elderly specimens which have a beautiful scent. I tried taking
cuttings last autumn, and the autumn before - they seem to do ok potted
p - having dipped the cut end in rooting powder. I tried with stems - 8 -
10 inches long buried up to 5" of their length - they seem to come into new
growth the following spring only to fail and drop all the new growth,
followed by a blackening of the stems- should I try cuttings earlier in the
summer? I'm in sunny (today!) Aberdeen.

Chris S

Sacha wrote:
> We have a fairly mature Mme. Isaac Pereire rose on an arch in the nursery.
> This year we have noticed that its colour and scent are much more subdued
> than in all the previous years. Normally, this rose is an eye searingly
> gorgeous pink and has a scent that knocks you flying.
> Has anyone else experienced this with this rose or, indeed, any other?
>
> --
> Sacha
> www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
> South Devon
> (email address on website)

I have a climbing rose that I swear used to have red flowers but I
moved it and now they're pink :-) I wonder if it's anything to do with
the drought :-p

On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:20:11 +0100, Sacha <sacha [at] privacy.net> wrote:

>Funnily enough, we talked about that today so Mmme Isaac will be getting the
>Rennies soon!

LOL! Rennies are mostly calcium carbonate, 'lime' to urglers. Mine got
Epsom Salts: same part of the anatomy but rather different effect!


--
Chris

E-mail: christopher[dot]hogg[at]virgin[dot]net

adder1969 [at] yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> Sacha wrote:
> > We have a fairly mature Mme. Isaac Pereire rose on an arch in the nursery.
> > This year we have noticed that its colour and scent are much more subdued
> > than in all the previous years. Normally, this rose is an eye searingly
> > gorgeous pink and has a scent that knocks you flying.
> > Has anyone else experienced this with this rose or, indeed, any other?
> >
> > --
> > Sacha
> > www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
> > South Devon
> > (email address on website)
>
> I have a climbing rose that I swear used to have red flowers but I
> moved it and now they're pink :-) I wonder if it's anything to do with
> the drought :-p

I have a Bridge of Sighs climber which is growing up a dead tree trunk
in the front garden and yesterday I found a lilac/pink bloom on it and
all the rest are a strong apricot colour which is what they are
supposed to be. I can only guess it's something to do with the colour
of the roses that were crossed together to form the new rose (can't
think of term). I'm sure someone will put me right - please -
otherwise it will bug me all night :-)


Gail

tom&barbara <gailgirvan408 [at] hotmail.com> writes
>
>adder1969 [at] yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>> Sacha wrote:
>> > We have a fairly mature Mme. Isaac Pereire rose on an arch in the nursery.
>> > This year we have noticed that its colour and scent are much more subdued
>> > than in all the previous years. Normally, this rose is an eye searingly
>> > gorgeous pink and has a scent that knocks you flying.
>> > Has anyone else experienced this with this rose or, indeed, any other?
>> >
>> > --
>> > Sacha
>> > www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
>> > South Devon
>> > (email address on website)
>>
>> I have a climbing rose that I swear used to have red flowers but I
>> moved it and now they're pink :-) I wonder if it's anything to do with
>> the drought :-p
>
>I have a Bridge of Sighs climber which is growing up a dead tree trunk
>in the front garden and yesterday I found a lilac/pink bloom on it and
>all the rest are a strong apricot colour which is what they are
>supposed to be. I can only guess it's something to do with the colour
>of the roses that were crossed together to form the new rose (can't
>think of term). I'm sure someone will put me right - please -
>otherwise it will bug me all night :-)
>
Was it grafted? You might have a sucker from the rootstock and that
would have the flowers of the rootstock - usually single pink wild rose
type.
--
Kay

On 15/6/06 15:25, in article 4fd8u6F1gtmesU1 [at] individual.net, "Chris S"
<christopher.stewart [at] xxxbigfoot.com> wrote:

<snip>
>>
> Sacha,
> What is the best time to take cuttings from climbing roses? I have a friend
> who has elderly specimens which have a beautiful scent. I tried taking
> cuttings last autumn, and the autumn before - they seem to do ok potted
> p - having dipped the cut end in rooting powder. I tried with stems - 8 -
> 10 inches long buried up to 5" of their length - they seem to come into new
> growth the following spring only to fail and drop all the new growth,
> followed by a blackening of the stems- should I try cuttings earlier in the
> summer? I'm in sunny (today!) Aberdeen.
>
Ray suggested trying this: he suggests taking pencil length and width type
cuttings of semi-ripe wood in September and putting them into a slit trench
with sharp sand in the bottom. The trench should be in shade. BUT he
says, too that sometimes older plants don't 'give' cuttings very well.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(email address on website)

On 15/6/06 16:34, in article
1150385663.082670.111350 [at] g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com,
"adder1969 [at] yahoo.co.uk" <adder1969 [at] yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>
> Sacha wrote:
>> We have a fairly mature Mme. Isaac Pereire rose on an arch in the nursery.
>> This year we have noticed that its colour and scent are much more subdued
>> than in all the previous years. Normally, this rose is an eye searingly
>> gorgeous pink and has a scent that knocks you flying.
>> Has anyone else experienced this with this rose or, indeed, any other?
>>
>> --
>> Sacha
>> www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
>> South Devon
>> (email address on website)
>
> I have a climbing rose that I swear used to have red flowers but I
> moved it and now they're pink :-) I wonder if it's anything to do with
> the drought :-p
>
Could be that and could be different soil, perhaps? I think most gardeners
have experienced the old "I moved it three feet and it flourished (or died)"
syndrome.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(email address on website)

On 15/6/06 18:48, in article e67392dpvhqo2o6p2tglpcqiqiificbs0c [at] 4ax.com,
"Chris Hogg" <me [at] privacy.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:20:11 +0100, Sacha <sacha [at] privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> Funnily enough, we talked about that today so Mmme Isaac will be getting the
>> Rennies soon!
>
> LOL! Rennies are mostly calcium carbonate, 'lime' to urglers. Mine got
> Epsom Salts: same part of the anatomy but rather different effect!
>
I know. I was being facetious - fatal tendency. ;-)
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(email address on website)

"Sacha" <sacha [at] privacy.net> wrote in message
news:C0B79740.31CC9%sacha [at] privacy.net...
> On 15/6/06 15:25, in article 4fd8u6F1gtmesU1 [at] individual.net, "Chris S"
> <christopher.stewart [at] xxxbigfoot.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>>>
>> Sacha,
>> What is the best time to take cuttings from climbing roses? I have a
>> friend
>> who has elderly specimens which have a beautiful scent. I tried taking
>> cuttings last autumn, and the autumn before - they seem to do ok potted
>> p - having dipped the cut end in rooting powder. I tried with stems -
>> 8 -
>> 10 inches long buried up to 5" of their length - they seem to come into
>> new
>> growth the following spring only to fail and drop all the new growth,
>> followed by a blackening of the stems- should I try cuttings earlier in
>> the
>> summer? I'm in sunny (today!) Aberdeen.
>>
> Ray suggested trying this: he suggests taking pencil length and width type
> cuttings of semi-ripe wood in September and putting them into a slit
> trench
> with sharp sand in the bottom. The trench should be in shade. BUT he
> says, too that sometimes older plants don't 'give' cuttings very well.
> --
> Sacha
> www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
> South Devon
> (email address on website)

I'll give it a bash, thank you both. There's nothing to lose, after all,
just the possibility of new plants if successful :-)
Thanks again
Chris S