NO YOU CANNOT BORROW YOUR VC

anyone read the sun on saturday 15/07/06

Lt Tulbahadur Pun 89 years old Ex Gurkha from WW11 now living in poverty in
Nepal has been refused by the army museum to borrow HIS VC TO WEAR ONE LAST
TIME before he dies (bear in mind his age) i think that the Government/MOD
should step in and make this possible for him, it would appear that our
government look after criminals,rapists,work dodgers and other low life
better than they look after people like Tulbahadur who have risked their
life for england
Alan [ So, 16 Juli 2006 21:58 ] [ ID #139644 ]

Re: NO YOU CANNOT BORROW YOUR VC

"Alan" <alan.luker [at] virgin.net> wrote in message
news:FYwug.5058$v02.3099 [at] newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
>
> "Alan" <alan.luker [at] virgin.net> wrote in message
> news:gTwug.5050$v02.3842 [at] newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
>> anyone read the sun on saturday 15/07/06
>>
>> Lt Tulbahadur Pun 89 years old Ex Gurkha from WW11 now living in poverty
>> in
>> Nepal has been refused by the army museum to borrow HIS VC TO WEAR ONE
>> LAST
>> TIME before he dies (bear in mind his age) i think that the
>> Government/MOD
>> should step in and make this possible for him, it would appear that our
>> government look after criminals,rapists,work dodgers and other low life
>> better than they look after people like Tulbahadur who have risked their
>> life for england
>>
>>
>>
> If you would like to comment please Email Major GL Davies
> curatorthegurkhamuseum.co.uk
> the museum is situated in winchester
>
I'm intrigued that you saw fit to post this in a gardening NG and not for
instance in uk.people.ex-forces. But having said that, I think you have a
valid point, treatment of Ghurkhas is generally abysmal given the sacrifices
many have made.

Steve
shazzbat [ So, 16 Juli 2006 22:46 ] [ ID #139650 ]

Re: NO YOU CANNOT BORROW YOUR VC

"shazzbat" <shazzbat [at] spamlessness.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:e9e8jj$a4o$1 [at] news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> "Alan" <alan.luker [at] virgin.net> wrote in message
> news:FYwug.5058$v02.3099 [at] newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
>>
>> "Alan" <alan.luker [at] virgin.net> wrote in message
>> news:gTwug.5050$v02.3842 [at] newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
>>> anyone read the sun on saturday 15/07/06
>>>
>>> Lt Tulbahadur Pun 89 years old Ex Gurkha from WW11 now living in poverty
>>> in
>>> Nepal has been refused by the army museum to borrow HIS VC TO WEAR ONE
>>> LAST
>>> TIME before he dies (bear in mind his age) i think that the
>>> Government/MOD
>>> should step in and make this possible for him, it would appear that our
>>> government look after criminals,rapists,work dodgers and other low life
>>> better than they look after people like Tulbahadur who have risked their
>>> life for england
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> If you would like to comment please Email Major GL Davies
>> curatorthegurkhamuseum.co.uk
>> the museum is situated in winchester
>>
> I'm intrigued that you saw fit to post this in a gardening NG and not for
> instance in uk.people.ex-forces. But having said that, I think you have a
> valid point, treatment of Ghurkhas is generally abysmal given the
> sacrifices many have made.
>
> Steve
>
the reasoning for posting this in gardening is that many older folk are keen
gardeners and possibly belong to the burma star association a lot of which
fought alongside the gurkhas it just may be of interest to them to see the
way this hero is being treated after risking his life for britain
Alan [ So, 16 Juli 2006 22:59 ] [ ID #139652 ]

Re: NO YOU CANNOT BORROW YOUR VC

On 16/7/06 21:03, in article FYwug.5058$v02.3099 [at] newsfe3-gui.ntli.net,
"Alan" <alan.luker [at] virgin.net> wrote:

>
> "Alan" <alan.luker [at] virgin.net> wrote in message
> news:gTwug.5050$v02.3842 [at] newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
>> anyone read the sun on saturday 15/07/06
>>
>> Lt Tulbahadur Pun 89 years old Ex Gurkha from WW11 now living in poverty
>> in
>> Nepal has been refused by the army museum to borrow HIS VC TO WEAR ONE
>> LAST
>> TIME before he dies (bear in mind his age) i think that the Government/MOD
>> should step in and make this possible for him, it would appear that our
>> government look after criminals,rapists,work dodgers and other low life
>> better than they look after people like Tulbahadur who have risked their
>> life for england
>>
>>
>>
> If you would like to comment please Email Major GL Davies
> curatorthegurkhamuseum.co.uk
> the museum is situated in winchester
>
>
I think this treatment is disgraceful but I also think it has absolutely
nothing to do with a gardening group.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(email address on website)
Sacha [ So, 16 Juli 2006 23:58 ] [ ID #139656 ]

Re: NO YOU CANNOT BORROW YOUR VC

"Sacha" <sacha [at] privacy.net> wrote in message
news:C0E07507.3431D%sacha [at] privacy.net...
> On 16/7/06 21:03, in article FYwug.5058$v02.3099 [at] newsfe3-gui.ntli.net,
> "Alan" <alan.luker [at] virgin.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Alan" <alan.luker [at] virgin.net> wrote in message
>> news:gTwug.5050$v02.3842 [at] newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
>>> anyone read the sun on saturday 15/07/06
>>>
>>> Lt Tulbahadur Pun 89 years old Ex Gurkha from WW11 now living in poverty
>>> in
>>> Nepal has been refused by the army museum to borrow HIS VC TO WEAR ONE
>>> LAST
>>> TIME before he dies (bear in mind his age) i think that the
>>> Government/MOD
>>> should step in and make this possible for him, it would appear that our
>>> government look after criminals,rapists,work dodgers and other low life
>>> better than they look after people like Tulbahadur who have risked their
>>> life for england
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> If you would like to comment please Email Major GL Davies
>> curatorthegurkhamuseum.co.uk
>> the museum is situated in winchester
>>
>>
> I think this treatment is disgraceful but I also think it has absolutely
> nothing to do with a gardening group.
> --
> Sacha
> www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
> South Devon
> (email address on website)
>
the reasoning for posting this in gardening is that many older folk are keen
gardeners and possibly belong to the burma star association a lot of which
fought alongside the gurkhas it just may be of interest to them to see the
way this hero is being treated after risking his life for britain now do you
understand why i posted it here
Alan [ So, 16 Juli 2006 23:57 ] [ ID #139657 ]

Re: NO YOU CANNOT BORROW YOUR VC

On 16/7/06 21:59, in article TMxug.34838$eQ.17488 [at] newsfe7-win.ntli.net,
"Alan" <alan.luker [at] virgin.net> wrote:

>
> "shazzbat" <shazzbat [at] spamlessness.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:e9e8jj$a4o$1 [at] news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>
>> "Alan" <alan.luker [at] virgin.net> wrote in message
>> news:FYwug.5058$v02.3099 [at] newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
>>>
<snip>
>>>
>> I'm intrigued that you saw fit to post this in a gardening NG and not for
>> instance in uk.people.ex-forces. But having said that, I think you have a
>> valid point, treatment of Ghurkhas is generally abysmal given the
>> sacrifices many have made.
>>
>> Steve
>>
> the reasoning for posting this in gardening is that many older folk are keen
> gardeners and possibly belong to the burma star association a lot of which
> fought alongside the gurkhas it just may be of interest to them to see the
> way this hero is being treated after risking his life for britain
>
>
A lot of older people also fish, take long holidays, help raise
grandchildren, own homes abroad, paint, do DIY, do tapestry, enjoy
crosswords, train spotting and sex. This group has people with a very wide
range of activities, interests, hobbies and professions. That is not a good
reason for posting messages on those subjects in a *gardening* group and
especially not without marking the msg. OT so that those who wish to can
ignore it. We've already suffered years of the depredations of a prat who
used that kind of argument to annoy this group and remained as one of the
worst trolls known to netkind.
I have real sympathy with your cause but if we all posted on our own
particular hobbyhorses on a regular basis - well........!
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(email address on website)
Sacha [ Mo, 17 Juli 2006 00:04 ] [ ID #139658 ]

Re: NO YOU CANNOT BORROW YOUR VC

"Sacha" <sacha [at] privacy.net> wrote in message
news:C0E07686.3431F%sacha [at] privacy.net...
> On 16/7/06 21:59, in article TMxug.34838$eQ.17488 [at] newsfe7-win.ntli.net,
> "Alan" <alan.luker [at] virgin.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> "shazzbat" <shazzbat [at] spamlessness.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:e9e8jj$a4o$1 [at] news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>>
>>> "Alan" <alan.luker [at] virgin.net> wrote in message
>>> news:FYwug.5058$v02.3099 [at] newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
>>>>
> <snip>
>>>>
>>> I'm intrigued that you saw fit to post this in a gardening NG and not
>>> for
>>> instance in uk.people.ex-forces. But having said that, I think you have
>>> a
>>> valid point, treatment of Ghurkhas is generally abysmal given the
>>> sacrifices many have made.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>> the reasoning for posting this in gardening is that many older folk are
>> keen
>> gardeners and possibly belong to the burma star association a lot of
>> which
>> fought alongside the gurkhas it just may be of interest to them to see
>> the
>> way this hero is being treated after risking his life for britain
>>
>>
> A lot of older people also fish, take long holidays, help raise
> grandchildren, own homes abroad, paint, do DIY, do tapestry, enjoy
> crosswords, train spotting and sex. This group has people with a very
> wide
> range of activities, interests, hobbies and professions. That is not a
> good
> reason for posting messages on those subjects in a *gardening* group and
> especially not without marking the msg. OT so that those who wish to can
> ignore it. We've already suffered years of the depredations of a prat who
> used that kind of argument to annoy this group and remained as one of the
> worst trolls known to netkind.
> I have real sympathy with your cause but if we all posted on our own
> particular hobbyhorses on a regular basis - well........!
> --
> Sacha
> www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
> South Devon
> (email address on website)
>
you are so sad -------- if it wasnt for guys like this we would all be
speaking japanese or german by now
Alan [ Mo, 17 Juli 2006 00:14 ] [ ID #139661 ]

Re: NO YOU CANNOT BORROW YOUR VC

On 16/7/06 22:57, in article tDyug.34973$1g.11346 [at] newsfe1-win.ntli.net,
"Alan" <alan.luker [at] virgin.net> wrote:

>
> "Sacha" <sacha [at] privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:C0E07507.3431D%sacha [at] privacy.net...
<snip>>>>
>> I think this treatment is disgraceful but I also think it has absolutely
>> nothing to do with a gardening group.
>> --
>>
> the reasoning for posting this in gardening is that many older folk are keen
> gardeners and possibly belong to the burma star association a lot of which
> fought alongside the gurkhas it just may be of interest to them to see the
> way this hero is being treated after risking his life for britain now do you
> understand why i posted it here
>
>
No. And I don't understand why you posted it to the Isle of Wight group,
either.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(email address on website)
Sacha [ Mo, 17 Juli 2006 00:19 ] [ ID #139662 ]

Re: NO YOU CANNOT BORROW YOUR VC

"Alan"wrote > anyone read the sun on saturday 15/07/06
>
> Lt Tulbahadur Pun 89 years old Ex Gurkha from WW11 now living in poverty
> in
> Nepal has been refused by the army museum to borrow HIS VC TO WEAR ONE
> LAST
> TIME before he dies (bear in mind his age) i think that the Government/MOD
> should step in and make this possible for him, it would appear that our
> government look after criminals,rapists,work dodgers and other low life
> better than they look after people like Tulbahadur who have risked their
> life for england
>

Having been to Nepal and seen places off the tourist route I understand what
poverty means out there, unless you have seen it no-one in this country can
imagine it.
Think of this country about 700 years ago, living closely with the animals
to keep warm, washing pots in sewage sludge, children playing in pools
caused when open sewers flood due to heavy rain.
The Ghurkhas, indeed the Nepalese, are our friends and have been for
generations. Why does our Government and it's Civil Service treat these
people so dishonourably? It reflects on all of us.

--
Regards
Bob Hobden
17mls W. of London.UK
Robert Fuchs [ Mo, 17 Juli 2006 00:16 ] [ ID #139664 ]

Re: NO YOU CANNOT BORROW YOUR VC

"Sacha" <sacha [at] privacy.net> wrote in message
news:C0E079EC.3435E%sacha [at] privacy.net...
> On 16/7/06 22:57, in article tDyug.34973$1g.11346 [at] newsfe1-win.ntli.net,
> "Alan" <alan.luker [at] virgin.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Sacha" <sacha [at] privacy.net> wrote in message
>> news:C0E07507.3431D%sacha [at] privacy.net...
> <snip>>>>
>>> I think this treatment is disgraceful but I also think it has absolutely
>>> nothing to do with a gardening group.
>>> --
>>>
>> the reasoning for posting this in gardening is that many older folk are
>> keen
>> gardeners and possibly belong to the burma star association a lot of
>> which
>> fought alongside the gurkhas it just may be of interest to them to see
>> the
>> way this hero is being treated after risking his life for britain now do
>> you
>> understand why i posted it here
>>
>>
> No. And I don't understand why you posted it to the Isle of Wight group,
> either.
> --
> Sacha
> www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
> South Devon
> (email address on website)
>
oh get back under your stone you obviously have no compassion and are full
of mistaken self importance
Alan [ Mo, 17 Juli 2006 00:14 ] [ ID #139665 ]

Re: NO YOU CANNOT BORROW YOUR VC

On 16/7/06 23:14, in article ATyug.29667$ST2.14123 [at] newsfe5-win.ntli.net,
"Alan" <alan.luker [at] virgin.net> wrote:

>
> "Sacha" <sacha [at] privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:C0E079EC.3435E%sacha [at] privacy.net...
>> On 16/7/06 22:57, in article tDyug.34973$1g.11346 [at] newsfe1-win.ntli.net,
>> "Alan" <alan.luker [at] virgin.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Sacha" <sacha [at] privacy.net> wrote in message
>>> news:C0E07507.3431D%sacha [at] privacy.net...
>> <snip>>>>
>>>> I think this treatment is disgraceful but I also think it has absolutely
>>>> nothing to do with a gardening group.
>>>> --
>>>>
>>> the reasoning for posting this in gardening is that many older folk are
>>> keen
>>> gardeners and possibly belong to the burma star association a lot of
>>> which
>>> fought alongside the gurkhas it just may be of interest to them to see
>>> the
>>> way this hero is being treated after risking his life for britain now do
>>> you
>>> understand why i posted it here
>>>
>>>
>> No. And I don't understand why you posted it to the Isle of Wight group,
>> either.
>> --
>> Sacha
>> www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
>> South Devon
>> (email address on website)
>>
> oh get back under your stone you obviously have no compassion and are full
> of mistaken self importance
>
>
That's not going to help your cause. But it certainly does alert the rest
of us.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(email address on website)
Sacha [ Mo, 17 Juli 2006 00:29 ] [ ID #139666 ]

Re: NO YOU CANNOT BORROW YOUR VC

Alan <alan.luker [at] virgin.net> writes
>
>"Sacha" <sacha [at] privacy.net> wrote in message
>news:C0E07686.3431F%sacha [at] privacy.net...
>>>
>>>
>> A lot of older people also fish, take long holidays, help raise
>> grandchildren, own homes abroad, paint, do DIY, do tapestry, enjoy
>> crosswords, train spotting and sex. This group has people with a very
>> wide
>> range of activities, interests, hobbies and professions. That is not a
>> good
>> reason for posting messages on those subjects in a *gardening* group and
>> especially not without marking the msg. OT so that those who wish to can
>> ignore it. We've already suffered years of the depredations of a prat who
>> used that kind of argument to annoy this group and remained as one of the
>> worst trolls known to netkind.
>> I have real sympathy with your cause but if we all posted on our own
>> particular hobbyhorses on a regular basis - well........!
>> --
>>
>you are so sad -------- if it wasnt for guys like this we would all be
>speaking japanese or german by now
>
>
I agree with Sasha. You are posting in a good cause, but there are a lot
of good causes in the world, and if we all posted about those that we
were particularly concerned about, this ng would no longer exist as a
gardening ng.

--
Kay
K [ Mo, 17 Juli 2006 00:49 ] [ ID #139670 ]

Re: NO YOU CANNOT BORROW YOUR VC

"Sacha" <sacha [at] privacy.net> wrote in message
news:C0E079EC.3435E%sacha [at] privacy.net...
> On 16/7/06 22:57, in article tDyug.34973$1g.11346 [at] newsfe1-win.ntli.net,
> "Alan" <alan.luker [at] virgin.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Sacha" <sacha [at] privacy.net> wrote in message
>> news:C0E07507.3431D%sacha [at] privacy.net...
> <snip>>>>
>>> I think this treatment is disgraceful but I also think it has absolutely
>>> nothing to do with a gardening group.
>>> --
>>>
>> the reasoning for posting this in gardening is that many older folk are
>> keen
>> gardeners and possibly belong to the burma star association a lot of
>> which
>> fought alongside the gurkhas it just may be of interest to them to see
>> the
>> way this hero is being treated after risking his life for britain now do
>> you
>> understand why i posted it here
>>
>>
> No. And I don't understand why you posted it to the Isle of Wight group,
> either.

Or the Hampshire group.

I'm also wondering why the multiple posts. It appeared in uklh twice, as it
did here. It has now also appeared in uk.people.ex-forces. Three times.

Steve
shazzbat [ Mo, 17 Juli 2006 09:41 ] [ ID #139673 ]

Re: NO YOU CANNOT BORROW YOUR VC

"Bob Hobden" <me [at] privacy.net> wrote in message
news:4hvs6kF1g49fU1 [at] individual.net...
>
> "Alan"wrote > anyone read the sun on saturday 15/07/06
>>
>> Lt Tulbahadur Pun 89 years old Ex Gurkha from WW11 now living in poverty
>> in
>> Nepal has been refused by the army museum to borrow HIS VC TO WEAR ONE
>> LAST
>> TIME before he dies (bear in mind his age) i think that the
>> Government/MOD
>> should step in and make this possible for him, it would appear that our
>> government look after criminals,rapists,work dodgers and other low life
>> better than they look after people like Tulbahadur who have risked their
>> life for england
>>
>
> Having been to Nepal and seen places off the tourist route I understand
> what poverty means out there, unless you have seen it no-one in this
> country can imagine it.
> Think of this country about 700 years ago, living closely with the animals
> to keep warm, washing pots in sewage sludge, children playing in pools
> caused when open sewers flood due to heavy rain.
> The Ghurkhas, indeed the Nepalese, are our friends and have been for
> generations. Why does our Government and it's Civil Service treat these
> people so dishonourably? It reflects on all of us.
>
> --
> Regards
> Bob Hobden
> 17mls W. of London.UK
>
>
thank you very much for that bob it is by far the best and most sensible
response i have had so far,
indead, i am so suprised that so many people are not even interested they
seem more concerned that the matter should not be mixed up with a gardening
ng i don't understand why when there must be folk out there that fought
alongside the gurkhas in WW11 still i suppose some people have short
memories
Alan [ Mo, 17 Juli 2006 11:10 ] [ ID #139676 ]

Re: NO YOU CANNOT BORROW YOUR VC

On 17/7/06 10:10, in article 5uIug.14481$EK1.13907 [at] newsfe4-gui.ntli.net,
"Alan" <alan.luker [at] virgin.net> wrote:

>
> "Bob Hobden" <me [at] privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:4hvs6kF1g49fU1 [at] individual.net...
>>
>> "Alan"wrote > anyone read the sun on saturday 15/07/06
>>>
>>> Lt Tulbahadur Pun 89 years old Ex Gurkha from WW11 now living in poverty
>>> in
>>> Nepal has been refused by the army museum to borrow HIS VC TO WEAR ONE
>>> LAST
>>> TIME before he dies (bear in mind his age) i think that the
>>> Government/MOD
>>> should step in and make this possible for him, it would appear that our
>>> government look after criminals,rapists,work dodgers and other low life
>>> better than they look after people like Tulbahadur who have risked their
>>> life for england
>>>
>>
>> Having been to Nepal and seen places off the tourist route I understand
>> what poverty means out there, unless you have seen it no-one in this
>> country can imagine it.
>> Think of this country about 700 years ago, living closely with the animals
>> to keep warm, washing pots in sewage sludge, children playing in pools
>> caused when open sewers flood due to heavy rain.
>> The Ghurkhas, indeed the Nepalese, are our friends and have been for
>> generations. Why does our Government and it's Civil Service treat these
>> people so dishonourably? It reflects on all of us.
>>
>> --
>> Regards
>> Bob Hobden
>> 17mls W. of London.UK
>>
>>
> thank you very much for that bob it is by far the best and most sensible
> response i have had so far,
> indead, i am so suprised that so many people are not even interested they
> seem more concerned that the matter should not be mixed up with a gardening
> ng i don't understand why when there must be folk out there that fought
> alongside the gurkhas in WW11 still i suppose some people have short
> memories
>
>
That is a complete misrepresentation of the facts and the truth. Some of us
have said that we have sympathy with your pov and many of us have already
read this story in our newspapers.
This is not an ex-serviceman's newsgroup which is where you are most likely
to get the response you want or need. This is a *gardening* group. If
everyone in this group posted on every issue *they* consider important
(especially without marketing it OT) this would no longer be a gardening
group at all.
If you post this to a military group or groups, you might get people to band
together and take the action you appear to want. Here, all you're doing is
annoying people which defeats your object. The last person to do this was
rapidly outed as a troll, has been an obnoxious pest ever since and is now
in the position where virtually nobody responds to his posts. That is a
danger for those who persist in trying to run a group for their own
interests and not those of the group.

--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(email address on website)
Sacha [ Mo, 17 Juli 2006 12:06 ] [ ID #139677 ]

Re: NO YOU CANNOT BORROW YOUR VC

"Sacha" <sacha [at] privacy.net> wrote in message
news:C0E11FB7.34374%sacha [at] privacy.net...
> On 17/7/06 10:10, in article 5uIug.14481$EK1.13907 [at] newsfe4-gui.ntli.net,
> "Alan" <alan.luker [at] virgin.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Bob Hobden" <me [at] privacy.net> wrote in message
>> news:4hvs6kF1g49fU1 [at] individual.net...
>>>
>>> "Alan"wrote > anyone read the sun on saturday 15/07/06
>>>>
>>>> Lt Tulbahadur Pun 89 years old Ex Gurkha from WW11 now living in
>>>> poverty
>>>> in
>>>> Nepal has been refused by the army museum to borrow HIS VC TO WEAR ONE
>>>> LAST
>>>> TIME before he dies (bear in mind his age) i think that the
>>>> Government/MOD
>>>> should step in and make this possible for him, it would appear that our
>>>> government look after criminals,rapists,work dodgers and other low life
>>>> better than they look after people like Tulbahadur who have risked
>>>> their
>>>> life for england
>>>>
>>>
>>> Having been to Nepal and seen places off the tourist route I understand
>>> what poverty means out there, unless you have seen it no-one in this
>>> country can imagine it.
>>> Think of this country about 700 years ago, living closely with the
>>> animals
>>> to keep warm, washing pots in sewage sludge, children playing in pools
>>> caused when open sewers flood due to heavy rain.
>>> The Ghurkhas, indeed the Nepalese, are our friends and have been for
>>> generations. Why does our Government and it's Civil Service treat these
>>> people so dishonourably? It reflects on all of us.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards
>>> Bob Hobden
>>> 17mls W. of London.UK
>>>
>>>
>> thank you very much for that bob it is by far the best and most sensible
>> response i have had so far,
>> indead, i am so suprised that so many people are not even interested they
>> seem more concerned that the matter should not be mixed up with a
>> gardening
>> ng i don't understand why when there must be folk out there that fought
>> alongside the gurkhas in WW11 still i suppose some people have short
>> memories
>>
>>
> That is a complete misrepresentation of the facts and the truth. Some of
> us
> have said that we have sympathy with your pov and many of us have already
> read this story in our newspapers.
> This is not an ex-serviceman's newsgroup which is where you are most
> likely
> to get the response you want or need. This is a *gardening* group. If
> everyone in this group posted on every issue *they* consider important
> (especially without marketing it OT) this would no longer be a gardening
> group at all.
> If you post this to a military group or groups, you might get people to
> band
> together and take the action you appear to want. Here, all you're doing
> is
> annoying people which defeats your object. The last person to do this was
> rapidly outed as a troll, has been an obnoxious pest ever since and is now
> in the position where virtually nobody responds to his posts. That is a
> danger for those who persist in trying to run a group for their own
> interests and not those of the group.
>
> --
> Sacha
> www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
> South Devon
> (email address on website)
>
so speaks the NG police
Alan [ Mo, 17 Juli 2006 13:01 ] [ ID #139682 ]

Re: NO YOU CANNOT BORROW YOUR VC

Alan wrote:
> oh get back under your stone you obviously have no compassion and are full
> of mistaken self importance

No, she, and a number of other posters, have merely politely and
sympathetically pointed out a basic principle of netiquette. You post
topics that are appropriate to the newsgroup you post to.
Frankly, you have received far more courteous and sympathetic responses
here than you would have received in just about any other newsgroup to
which you might choose to post off-topic material.

Cat(h)
cathy_ie [ Mo, 17 Juli 2006 13:01 ] [ ID #139683 ]

Re: NO YOU CANNOT BORROW YOUR VC

"Alan" <alan.luker [at] virgin.net> wrote in message
news:bTyug.34975$1g.5251 [at] newsfe1-win.ntli.net...
>
> "Sacha" <sacha [at] privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:C0E07686.3431F%sacha [at] privacy.net...
>> On 16/7/06 21:59, in article TMxug.34838$eQ.17488 [at] newsfe7-win.ntli.net,
>> "Alan" <alan.luker [at] virgin.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "shazzbat" <shazzbat [at] spamlessness.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:e9e8jj$a4o$1 [at] news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>>>
>>>> "Alan" <alan.luker [at] virgin.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:FYwug.5058$v02.3099 [at] newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
>>>>>
>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>> I'm intrigued that you saw fit to post this in a gardening NG and not
>>>> for
>>>> instance in uk.people.ex-forces. But having said that, I think you have
>>>> a
>>>> valid point, treatment of Ghurkhas is generally abysmal given the
>>>> sacrifices many have made.
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>> the reasoning for posting this in gardening is that many older folk are
>>> keen
>>> gardeners and possibly belong to the burma star association a lot of
>>> which
>>> fought alongside the gurkhas it just may be of interest to them to see
>>> the
>>> way this hero is being treated after risking his life for britain
>>>
>>>
>> A lot of older people also fish, take long holidays, help raise
>> grandchildren, own homes abroad, paint, do DIY, do tapestry, enjoy
>> crosswords, train spotting and sex. This group has people with a very
>> wide
>> range of activities, interests, hobbies and professions. That is not a
>> good
>> reason for posting messages on those subjects in a *gardening* group and
>> especially not without marking the msg. OT so that those who wish to can
>> ignore it. We've already suffered years of the depredations of a prat
>> who
>> used that kind of argument to annoy this group and remained as one of the
>> worst trolls known to netkind.
>> I have real sympathy with your cause but if we all posted on our own
>> particular hobbyhorses on a regular basis - well........!
>> --
>> Sacha
>> www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
>> South Devon
>> (email address on website)
>>
> you are so sad -------- if it wasnt for guys like this we would all be
> speaking japanese or german by now
>

I'd like to be able to speak Japanese. They all sound so angry? I'd like to
know what they get so het up about?
Ian [ Mo, 17 Juli 2006 15:36 ] [ ID #140564 ]

Re: NO YOU CANNOT BORROW YOUR VC

On 17/7/06 13:31, in article OqLug.13922$sz1.9305 [at] newsfe6-gui.ntli.net,
"Alan" <alan.luker [at] virgin.net> wrote:

>
> "Sacha" <sacha [at] privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:C0E11FB7.34374%sacha [at] privacy.net...
<snip>
>> If you post this to a military group or groups, you might get people to
>> band
>> together and take the action you appear to want. Here, all you're doing
>> is
>> annoying people which defeats your object. The last person to do this was
>> rapidly outed as a troll, has been an obnoxious pest ever since and is now
>> in the position where virtually nobody responds to his posts. That is a
>> danger for those who persist in trying to run a group for their own
>> interests and not those of the group.
>>
>> --
>> Sacha
>> www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
>> South Devon
>> (email address on website)
>>
> so speaks the NG police
>
>
Oh my. Now why does THAT sound so familiar? Isle of Wight, eh?
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(email address on website)
Sacha [ Mo, 17 Juli 2006 15:50 ] [ ID #140565 ]

Re: NO YOU CANNOT BORROW YOUR VC

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Notifier Deamon [ Mo, 17 Juli 2006 17:44 ] [ ID #140569 ]

Re: NO YOU CANNOT BORROW YOUR VC

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Notifier Deamon [ Mo, 17 Juli 2006 17:44 ] [ ID #140570 ]

Re: NO YOU CANNOT BORROW YOUR VC

> >
> >
> Oh my. Now why does THAT sound so familiar? Isle of Wight, eh?
> --
> Sacha
> (email address on website)
>

Pot

Kettle

Black

:-))
Michael Crowe [ Mo, 17 Juli 2006 18:36 ] [ ID #140573 ]

Re: NO YOU CANNOT BORROW YOUR VC

"Mike" <not [at] here.thanks> wrote in message
news:o-KdnRuCm6kYISbZnZ2dnUVZ8tOdnZ2d [at] bt.com...
>> >
>> >
>> Oh my. Now why does THAT sound so familiar? Isle of Wight, eh?
>> --
>> Sacha
>> (email address on website)
>>
>
> Pot
>
> Kettle
>
> Black
>
> :-))
>
>
he he he
Alan [ Mo, 17 Juli 2006 20:36 ] [ ID #140580 ]

Re: NO YOU CANNOT BORROW YOUR VC

"Alan" <alan.luker [at] virgin.net> wrote in message
news:xMQug.9105$s4.1129 [at] newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
>
> "Mike" <not [at] here.thanks> wrote in message
> news:o-KdnRuCm6kYISbZnZ2dnUVZ8tOdnZ2d [at] bt.com...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> Oh my. Now why does THAT sound so familiar? Isle of Wight, eh?
> >> --
> >> Sacha
> >> (email address on website)
> >>
> >
> > Pot
> >
> > Kettle
> >
> > Black
> >
> > :-))
> >
> >
> he he he
>
>

Net nannies

Net cops

Newsgroup 'owners'

Don't you 'just' luv em?

:-((

Just 'who' do they think they are?

Mike


--
------------------------------------------------
Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association
www.rnshipmates.co.uk
Michael Crowe [ Mo, 17 Juli 2006 20:44 ] [ ID #140582 ]

Re: NO YOU CANNOT BORROW YOUR VC

If you had simply added OT in the message line and left a link to the story,
perhaps this would have been received with much more vigour.
Think, before you link, before you send.
I am sympathetic but do not enjoy crusades on one instance, when there are
many instances of famine, misbehaviour, war, pestilence etc in the world
both abroad and here in this country.
I have my own priorities.
regards
Cineman

"Alan" <alan.luker [at] virgin.net> wrote in message
news:gTwug.5050$v02.3842 [at] newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
> anyone read the sun on saturday 15/07/06
>
> Lt Tulbahadur Pun 89 years old Ex Gurkha from WW11 now living in poverty
> in
> Nepal has been refused by the army museum to borrow HIS VC TO WEAR ONE
> LAST
> TIME before he dies (bear in mind his age) i think that the Government/MOD
> should step in and make this possible for him, it would appear that our
> government look after criminals,rapists,work dodgers and other low life
> better than they look after people like Tulbahadur who have risked their
> life for england
>
>
>
cineman [ Mo, 17 Juli 2006 20:45 ] [ ID #140583 ]

Re: NO YOU CANNOT BORROW YOUR VC

"Alan" <alan.luker [at] virgin.net> wrote in message
news:gTwug.5050$v02.3842 [at] newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
> anyone read the sun on saturday 15/07/06
>
> Lt Tulbahadur Pun 89 years old Ex Gurkha from WW11 now living in poverty
in
> Nepal has been refused by the army museum to borrow HIS VC TO WEAR ONE
LAST
> TIME before he dies (bear in mind his age) i think that the Government/MOD
> should step in and make this possible for him, it would appear that our
> government look after criminals,rapists,work dodgers and other low life
> better than they look after people like Tulbahadur who have risked their
> life for england
~~~~~~~~~~~~
There seems to be more to this matter than the obvious. This particular
medal has already been involved in trade and is highly likely to be so again
if it leaves. It it also most unlikely that Lt. Tulbahadur would benefit in
any way. Others would want to be involved with its value.
It is better to remain, in his memory, than appear for sale yet again.
Best Wishes Brian.
>
>
>
Brian [ Mo, 17 Juli 2006 21:34 ] [ ID #140588 ]

Re: NO YOU CANNOT BORROW YOUR VC

"Mike" <not [at] here.thanks> wrote in message
news:ycidnRv9S_lbRybZRVnyhQ [at] bt.com...
>
>
> "Alan" <alan.luker [at] virgin.net> wrote in message
> news:xMQug.9105$s4.1129 [at] newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
>>
>> "Mike" <not [at] here.thanks> wrote in message
>> news:o-KdnRuCm6kYISbZnZ2dnUVZ8tOdnZ2d [at] bt.com...
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> Oh my. Now why does THAT sound so familiar? Isle of Wight, eh?
>> >> --
>> >> Sacha
>> >> (email address on website)
>> >>
>> >
>> > Pot
>> >
>> > Kettle
>> >
>> > Black
>> >
>> > :-))
>> >
>> >
>> he he he
>>
>>
>
> Net nannies
>
> Net cops
>
> Newsgroup 'owners'
>
> Don't you 'just' luv em?
>
> :-((
>
> Just 'who' do they think they are?
>
> Mike
>
>
> --
> ------------------------------------------------
> Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association
> www.rnshipmates.co.uk
>
>
jonny no mates springs to mind
Alan [ Mo, 17 Juli 2006 21:59 ] [ ID #140589 ]

Re: NO YOU CANNOT BORROW YOUR VC

> >
> jonny no mates springs to mind
>
>

:-))
Michael Crowe [ Mo, 17 Juli 2006 22:01 ] [ ID #140591 ]

Re: NO YOU CANNOT BORROW YOUR VC

"Ian" <ian. [at] home.com> wrote in message
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>

> I'd like to be able to speak Japanese. They all sound so angry? I'd like
to
> know what they get so het up about?
>

Bad dubbing on Anime imports I think.
--
Rhiannon_s:
Just a scientific experiment gone horribly wrong.
Rhiannon S [ Di, 18 Juli 2006 12:49 ] [ ID #140615 ]
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