#1: Staking tomatoes - first time
Posted on 2006-06-08 12:36:00 by littleboyblu87
I'm growing tomatoes in pots and need some advice. The plants are now
about 12-18 inches high and I think it's time to stake them (probably
should've done that weeks ago). I don't want to damage the roots and I
don't want to spend a lot of money for something elaborate. I'd rather
just use tree limbs/sticks then to buy cages at the store.
How would I go about staking them with sticks (heavy, non breakable
ones of course)? Should I use some sort of teepee setup? I've never
done that before so any advice would be great.
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#2: Re: Staking tomatoes - first time
Posted on 2006-06-08 13:16:53 by frank
Mike S. wrote:
> I'm growing tomatoes in pots and need some advice. The plants are now
> about 12-18 inches high and I think it's time to stake them (probably
> should've done that weeks ago). I don't want to damage the roots and I
> don't want to spend a lot of money for something elaborate. I'd rather
> just use tree limbs/sticks then to buy cages at the store.
>
> How would I go about staking them with sticks (heavy, non breakable
> ones of course)? Should I use some sort of teepee setup? I've never
> done that before so any advice would be great.
A single, strong stake will do it. I went through this myself and
moved plants from garden to deck when shade/deer ruined my plot. I
find that cages are much more convenient and have gotten years of use
out of mine.
Frank
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#3: Re: Staking tomatoes - first time
Posted on 2006-06-08 13:26:30 by JoeSpareBedroom
"Mike S." <littleboyblu87@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I'm growing tomatoes in pots and need some advice. The plants are now
> about 12-18 inches high and I think it's time to stake them (probably
> should've done that weeks ago). I don't want to damage the roots and I
> don't want to spend a lot of money for something elaborate. I'd rather
> just use tree limbs/sticks then to buy cages at the store.
>
> How would I go about staking them with sticks (heavy, non breakable
> ones of course)? Should I use some sort of teepee setup? I've never
> done that before so any advice would be great.
>
I can't explain why, but intuitively, I think caging would make for more
balanced weight, so the pots would be more stable. When I chop down tomato
plants in the fall, I'm always amazed at the sheer weight of all that
vegetation. Unless your pots are enormous, the plants will weigh enough to
topple them with enough wind.
Never buy cages in the store unless they're a type I've never seen for sale
in 35 years of gardening. The type is called "big enough, and of the right
shape". You're better off to make your own out of plastic covered metal
fence wire, the kind with the 2x3 inch holes. Form them into a cylinder
shape that's sized correctly for your pot. You'll still need stakes - one
for each side of the cylinder. This cylindrical cage will give the plant
loads of room and support. Grown this way, most of the fruit will also be
protected from the sun, which is a reason (but not the main reason) for
cracked skin.
Let me know if you'd like to see pictures of this cage idea.
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#4: Re: Staking tomatoes - first time
Posted on 2006-06-08 18:29:29 by Mark Anderson
In article dishborealis@yahoo.com says...
> Never buy cages in the store unless they're a type I've never seen for sale
> in 35 years of gardening. The type is called "big enough, and of the right
> shape". You're better off to make your own out of plastic covered metal
> fence wire, the kind with the 2x3 inch holes. Form them into a cylinder
> shape that's sized correctly for your pot. You'll still need stakes - one
> for each side of the cylinder. This cylindrical cage will give the plant
> loads of room and support. Grown this way, most of the fruit will also be
> protected from the sun, which is a reason (but not the main reason) for
> cracked skin.
>
> Let me know if you'd like to see pictures of this cage idea.
I have 8 tomatoes in containers and will be building cages for them.
Stakes in containers never did well for me. They got sloppy and fell
over (container soil isn't that strong of a base) and I was always
expanding the staking system when the plants got bigger.
My cage plan is to build the cages outside of the container. That way
I'll use the cages as a support for a shade mechanism to keep the pots
somewhat cooler during the hotter summer months. It's bad news for
tomatoes in containers if the soil gets above 90 degrees.
All my tomato containers are in a row. I'm planning on using 5' 2x2s as
posts. Normally each cage would need 4 posts but to make this easier
I'm having containers share their posts. So the entire row of 8
containers will require only 18 of these posts. I had a bunch of scrap
5' 2x8s that I ripped into the posts with a table saw. I plan to
connect the posts into boxes with lathing and whatever scraps of wood I
have laying around. The entire cage structure will be self supporting
and will not have to be staked into the ground. I do not want to paint
this structure. I'll use screws to put it together so it can be
disassembled in the fall if necessary.
In a couple of days when I finish I'll post pics of the finished
structure.
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#5: Re: Staking tomatoes - first time
Posted on 2006-06-08 19:06:45 by JoeSpareBedroom
"Mark Anderson" <mea@nospambrandylion.com> wrote in message
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> In article dishborealis@yahoo.com says...
>> Never buy cages in the store unless they're a type I've never seen for
>> sale
>> in 35 years of gardening. The type is called "big enough, and of the
>> right
>> shape". You're better off to make your own out of plastic covered metal
>> fence wire, the kind with the 2x3 inch holes. Form them into a cylinder
>> shape that's sized correctly for your pot. You'll still need stakes - one
>> for each side of the cylinder. This cylindrical cage will give the plant
>> loads of room and support. Grown this way, most of the fruit will also be
>> protected from the sun, which is a reason (but not the main reason) for
>> cracked skin.
>>
>> Let me know if you'd like to see pictures of this cage idea.
>
> I have 8 tomatoes in containers and will be building cages for them.
> Stakes in containers never did well for me. They got sloppy and fell
> over (container soil isn't that strong of a base) and I was always
> expanding the staking system when the plants got bigger.
>
> My cage plan is to build the cages outside of the container. That way
> I'll use the cages as a support for a shade mechanism to keep the pots
> somewhat cooler during the hotter summer months. It's bad news for
> tomatoes in containers if the soil gets above 90 degrees.
>
> All my tomato containers are in a row. I'm planning on using 5' 2x2s as
> posts. Normally each cage would need 4 posts but to make this easier
> I'm having containers share their posts. So the entire row of 8
> containers will require only 18 of these posts. I had a bunch of scrap
> 5' 2x8s that I ripped into the posts with a table saw. I plan to
> connect the posts into boxes with lathing and whatever scraps of wood I
> have laying around. The entire cage structure will be self supporting
> and will not have to be staked into the ground. I do not want to paint
> this structure. I'll use screws to put it together so it can be
> disassembled in the fall if necessary.
>
> In a couple of days when I finish I'll post pics of the finished
> structure.
Quick! Patent it! :-)
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#6: Re: Staking tomatoes - first time
Posted on 2006-06-08 21:19:37 by frank
I agree with the cage comments and should have mentioned that I tie the
cages to my deck railing and 4 in a row, tie cages together. Does not
take a lot of tying but assures that they do not collapse.
Frank
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#7: Re: Staking tomatoes - first time
Posted on 2006-06-09 10:06:46 by roblyn
"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Mike S." <littleboyblu87@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1149762960.762575.188830@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > I'm growing tomatoes in pots and need some advice. The plants are now
> > about 12-18 inches high and I think it's time to stake them (probably
> > should've done that weeks ago). I don't want to damage the roots and I
> > don't want to spend a lot of money for something elaborate. I'd rather
> > just use tree limbs/sticks then to buy cages at the store.
> >
> > How would I go about staking them with sticks (heavy, non breakable
> > ones of course)? Should I use some sort of teepee setup? I've never
> > done that before so any advice would be great.
> >
>
> I can't explain why, but intuitively, I think caging would make for more
> balanced weight, so the pots would be more stable. When I chop down tomato
> plants in the fall, I'm always amazed at the sheer weight of all that
> vegetation. Unless your pots are enormous, the plants will weigh enough to
> topple them with enough wind.
>
> Never buy cages in the store unless they're a type I've never seen for
sale
> in 35 years of gardening. The type is called "big enough, and of the right
> shape". You're better off to make your own out of plastic covered metal
> fence wire, the kind with the 2x3 inch holes. Form them into a cylinder
> shape that's sized correctly for your pot. You'll still need stakes - one
> for each side of the cylinder. This cylindrical cage will give the plant
> loads of room and support. Grown this way, most of the fruit will also be
> protected from the sun, which is a reason (but not the main reason) for
> cracked skin.
>
> Let me know if you'd like to see pictures of this cage idea.
Joe. If you are able to post a url for the cages I'd be interested. Thanks.
rob
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#8: Re: Staking tomatoes - first time
Posted on 2006-06-09 13:32:33 by JoeSpareBedroom
"George.com" <roblyn@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
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>
> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:GPThg.3052$oa1.1768@news02.roc.ny...
>> "Mike S." <littleboyblu87@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1149762960.762575.188830@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>> > I'm growing tomatoes in pots and need some advice. The plants are now
>> > about 12-18 inches high and I think it's time to stake them (probably
>> > should've done that weeks ago). I don't want to damage the roots and I
>> > don't want to spend a lot of money for something elaborate. I'd rather
>> > just use tree limbs/sticks then to buy cages at the store.
>> >
>> > How would I go about staking them with sticks (heavy, non breakable
>> > ones of course)? Should I use some sort of teepee setup? I've never
>> > done that before so any advice would be great.
>> >
>>
>> I can't explain why, but intuitively, I think caging would make for more
>> balanced weight, so the pots would be more stable. When I chop down
>> tomato
>> plants in the fall, I'm always amazed at the sheer weight of all that
>> vegetation. Unless your pots are enormous, the plants will weigh enough
>> to
>> topple them with enough wind.
>>
>> Never buy cages in the store unless they're a type I've never seen for
> sale
>> in 35 years of gardening. The type is called "big enough, and of the
>> right
>> shape". You're better off to make your own out of plastic covered metal
>> fence wire, the kind with the 2x3 inch holes. Form them into a cylinder
>> shape that's sized correctly for your pot. You'll still need stakes - one
>> for each side of the cylinder. This cylindrical cage will give the plant
>> loads of room and support. Grown this way, most of the fruit will also be
>> protected from the sun, which is a reason (but not the main reason) for
>> cracked skin.
>>
>> Let me know if you'd like to see pictures of this cage idea.
>
> Joe. If you are able to post a url for the cages I'd be interested.
> Thanks.
>
> rob
Cage:
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c197/ancientangler/TomatoC age_04.jpg
Detail of attachment to posts:
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c197/ancientangler/TomatoC age_03.jpg
What doesn't show in the pictures is the holes I cut in the cage to allow
hands to access tomatoes, some of which grow inside, sheltered by leaves.
Since the fence wire is green, the holes tend to become invisible among the
foliage, which sticks out all over the place. So, after cutting the holes, I
tie a piece of ribbon at each location. These cages have withstood some
pretty huge winds during summer storms. At the end of the season, I just
flatten them and hang them on a hook in the garage.
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#9: Re: Staking tomatoes - first time
Posted on 2006-06-09 14:44:14 by roblyn
"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> >> Let me know if you'd like to see pictures of this cage idea.
> >
> > Joe. If you are able to post a url for the cages I'd be interested.
> > Thanks.
> >
> > rob
>
> Cage:
> http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c197/ancientangler/TomatoC age_04.jpg
>
> Detail of attachment to posts:
> http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c197/ancientangler/TomatoC age_03.jpg
>
> What doesn't show in the pictures is the holes I cut in the cage to allow
> hands to access tomatoes, some of which grow inside, sheltered by leaves.
> Since the fence wire is green, the holes tend to become invisible among
the
> foliage, which sticks out all over the place. So, after cutting the holes,
I
> tie a piece of ribbon at each location. These cages have withstood some
> pretty huge winds during summer storms. At the end of the season, I just
> flatten them and hang them on a hook in the garage.
thanks.
rob
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#10: Re: Staking tomatoes - first time
Posted on 2006-06-09 17:49:16 by not
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> "Mike S." <littleboyblu87@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1149762960.762575.188830@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
>>I'm growing tomatoes in pots and need some advice. The plants are now
>>about 12-18 inches high and I think it's time to stake them (probably
>>should've done that weeks ago). I don't want to damage the roots and I
>>don't want to spend a lot of money for something elaborate. I'd rather
>>just use tree limbs/sticks then to buy cages at the store.
>>
>>How would I go about staking them with sticks (heavy, non breakable
>>ones of course)? Should I use some sort of teepee setup? I've never
>>done that before so any advice would be great.
>>
>
>
> I can't explain why, but intuitively, I think caging would make for more
> balanced weight, so the pots would be more stable. When I chop down tomato
> plants in the fall, I'm always amazed at the sheer weight of all that
> vegetation. Unless your pots are enormous, the plants will weigh enough to
> topple them with enough wind.
>
> Never buy cages in the store unless they're a type I've never seen for sale
> in 35 years of gardening. The type is called "big enough, and of the right
> shape". You're better off to make your own out of plastic covered metal
> fence wire, the kind with the 2x3 inch holes. Form them into a cylinder
> shape that's sized correctly for your pot. You'll still need stakes - one
> for each side of the cylinder. This cylindrical cage will give the plant
> loads of room and support. Grown this way, most of the fruit will also be
> protected from the sun, which is a reason (but not the main reason) for
> cracked skin.
>
> Let me know if you'd like to see pictures of this cage idea.
I've seen something like that used to trap snakes. They put a piglet in
the cage, the snake crawls in and swallows the piglet, then cannot get
back out because the piglet in its belly won't fit through the holes.
I'm pretty sure my hand won't fit through a 2x3 inch opening, and if I
could jam it through I couldnt get it back out holding a tomato. In
fact, any decent sized tomato won't fit through such an opening. Do you
dismantle the cage each time you want to pick a tomato, or are you
growing a very small variety?
I have one plant I grow in a half whiskey barrel, which is heavy enough
to resist the wind. I use an old cage I inherited, but I also put in a
stake as the plant outgrows the cage.
I have ten plants in my garden, but from years of rototilling and adding
organic matter, my soil has become too soft to hold the weight of a
staked plant, so now I build triangular towers at each end of the row
and run some old stakes from tower top to tower top, then stake each
plant and tie the top of the stake to the ridge pole. Were I growing
tomatoes in pots, I would put the pots in a row and build towers at the
end of each row, with a ridgepole and a stake in each pot fastened to
it. I buy cotton clothesline and use it for tying up the structures and
plants, and it seems to work well and last, but I run it through the
washer at the end of each season to minimize the possibility of carrying
over disease.
The commercial tomato farms I have seen don't stake at all, they just
let the vines run on the ground, which might be an option with pots,
depending where they are. I stake mine because we have a lot of slugs
here and its harder for them to get to the fruit on a staked plant than
a prostrate one.
>
>
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#11: Re: Staking tomatoes - first time
Posted on 2006-06-09 17:53:59 by JoeSpareBedroom
"Not@home" <Not@home.net> wrote in message
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> I'm pretty sure my hand won't fit through a 2x3 inch opening, and if I
> could jam it through I couldnt get it back out holding a tomato. In fact,
> any decent sized tomato won't fit through such an opening. Do you
> dismantle the cage each time you want to pick a tomato, or are you growing
> a very small variety?
Go back to my message that includes the links to the photographs. Re-read
the last paragraph.
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#12: Re: Staking tomatoes - first time
Posted on 2006-06-17 08:01:51 by Antipodean Bucket Farmer
In article
<1149762960.762575.188830@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
littleboyblu87@yahoo.com says...
> I'm growing tomatoes in pots and need some advice. The plants are now
> about 12-18 inches high and I think it's time to stake them (probably
> should've done that weeks ago). I don't want to damage the roots and I
> don't want to spend a lot of money for something elaborate. I'd rather
> just use tree limbs/sticks then to buy cages at the store.
>
> How would I go about staking them with sticks (heavy, non breakable
> ones of course)? Should I use some sort of teepee setup? I've never
> done that before so any advice would be great.
Look for low-cost bamboo stakes. One and a half metres long is
good.
I like one set next to the main stem of the plant, plus three
more in a tripod, with all four tied together near the top.
Regular packaging type string is fine for loosely tying the
tomato limbs to the nearest stake.
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