#1: Neem for leafminers
Posted on 2006-06-21 16:59:45 by cb
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#2: Re: Neem for leafminers
Posted on 2006-06-21 17:25:20 by dr-solo
they are in, not on the leaf. I dont think so. how about a systemic? I used it to
get rid of leaf miners on a birch. worked great. Ingrid
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>I have leafminers on my boxwood hedge. Someone gave me Neem concentrate to spray on the boxwood. Does anyone know if Neem will effectively kill the leafminers?
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#3: Re: Neem for leafminers
Posted on 2006-06-21 18:37:16 by vivekm1234
Neem may work, however check this out:
"http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3977351.stm"
*grin* It's possible that the high sugar content attracts ants on to
leaves when it's sprayed..
Also check out http://www.leafmines.co.uk/
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#4: Re: Neem for leafminers
Posted on 2006-06-21 20:37:14 by cb
What kind of systemic product did you use? Someone mentioned using
malathion, but we have dogs and an outdoor cat, so I was concerned about the
stuff getting in their eyes. Isn't Malathion highly poisonous? Right now the
leaves are blistering, and I suppose the eggs are beginning to hatch. I am
in zone 7, Virginia. I have done a little research on boxwood leafminers,
and know what they are and how they work, but just don't have any experience
with using systemics.
<dr-solo@wi.rr.xx.com> wrote in message
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> they are in, not on the leaf. I dont think so. how about a systemic? I
> used it to
> get rid of leaf miners on a birch. worked great. Ingrid
>
> "cb" <clp7a@virginia.edu> wrote:
>
>>I have leafminers on my boxwood hedge. Someone gave me Neem concentrate to
>>spray on the boxwood. Does anyone know if Neem will effectively kill the
>>leafminers?
>
>
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#5: Re: Neem for leafminers
Posted on 2006-06-21 21:54:14 by JoeSpareBedroom
"cb" <clp7a@virginia.edu> wrote in message
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> What kind of systemic product did you use? Someone mentioned using
> malathion, but we have dogs and an outdoor cat, so I was concerned about
> the stuff getting in their eyes. Isn't Malathion highly poisonous? Right
> now the leaves are blistering, and I suppose the eggs are beginning to
> hatch. I am in zone 7, Virginia. I have done a little research on boxwood
> leafminers, and know what they are and how they work, but just don't have
> any experience with using systemics.
Malathion's great stuff:
http://www.scorecard.org/chemical-profiles/summary.tcl?edf_s ubstance_id=121-75-5
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#6: Re: Neem for leafminers
Posted on 2006-06-22 16:18:59 by cb
Thanks for all the suggestions. I finally got some "Merit" by Bayer.
Hopefully that will solve my boxwood leafminer troubles.
"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote
in message news:Gthmg.4085$Oh1.3653@news01.roc.ny...
> "cb" <clp7a@virginia.edu> wrote in message
> news:e7c3ks$m3$1@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU...
>
>> What kind of systemic product did you use? Someone mentioned using
>> malathion, but we have dogs and an outdoor cat, so I was concerned about
>> the stuff getting in their eyes. Isn't Malathion highly poisonous? Right
>> now the leaves are blistering, and I suppose the eggs are beginning to
>> hatch. I am in zone 7, Virginia. I have done a little research on boxwood
>> leafminers, and know what they are and how they work, but just don't have
>> any experience with using systemics.
>
> Malathion's great stuff:
> http://www.scorecard.org/chemical-profiles/summary.tcl?edf_s ubstance_id=121-75-5
>
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#7: Re: Neem for leafminers
Posted on 2006-06-22 16:37:10 by JoeSpareBedroom
Another great chemical. Be careful:
http://www.scorecard.org/chemical-profiles/summary.tcl?edf_s ubstance_id=1689%2d84%2d5
"cb" <clp7a@virginia.edu> wrote in message
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> Thanks for all the suggestions. I finally got some "Merit" by Bayer.
> Hopefully that will solve my boxwood leafminer troubles.
>
> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote
> in message news:Gthmg.4085$Oh1.3653@news01.roc.ny...
>> "cb" <clp7a@virginia.edu> wrote in message
>> news:e7c3ks$m3$1@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU...
>>
>>> What kind of systemic product did you use? Someone mentioned using
>>> malathion, but we have dogs and an outdoor cat, so I was concerned about
>>> the stuff getting in their eyes. Isn't Malathion highly poisonous? Right
>>> now the leaves are blistering, and I suppose the eggs are beginning to
>>> hatch. I am in zone 7, Virginia. I have done a little research on
>>> boxwood leafminers, and know what they are and how they work, but just
>>> don't have any experience with using systemics.
>>
>> Malathion's great stuff:
>> http://www.scorecard.org/chemical-profiles/summary.tcl?edf_s ubstance_id=121-75-5
>>
>
>
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#8: Re: Neem for leafminers
Posted on 2006-06-22 22:33:27 by dr-solo
It has been so long since I used it I dont remember which systemic. big tall round
cylinder of a can.
malathion is poisonous to everything without a functioning liver. otherwise, it is
pretty useful when used correctly to treat existing infestation. it biodegrades
pretty fast too. Ingrid
"cb" <clp7a@virginia.edu> wrote:
>What kind of systemic product did you use? Someone mentioned using
>malathion, but we have dogs and an outdoor cat, so I was concerned about the
>stuff getting in their eyes. Isn't Malathion highly poisonous? Right now the
>leaves are blistering, and I suppose the eggs are beginning to hatch. I am
>in zone 7, Virginia. I have done a little research on boxwood leafminers,
>and know what they are and how they work, but just don't have any experience
>with using systemics.
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#9: Re: Neem for leafminers
Posted on 2006-06-24 00:21:23 by Mister Gardener
On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:25:20 GMT, dr-solo@wi.rr.xx.com wrote:
>they are in, not on the leaf. I dont think so. how about a systemic? I used it to
>get rid of leaf miners on a birch. worked great. Ingrid
>
>"cb" <clp7a@virginia.edu> wrote:
>
>>I have leafminers on my boxwood hedge. Someone gave me Neem concentrate to spray on the boxwood. Does anyone know if Neem will effectively kill the leafminers?
Neem oil works very well on leaf miners - I have used it exclusively
for several years on my spinach and chard. It is also effective with
those rusty fungal splotches that attack beans in warm, humid weather.
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#10: Re: Neem for leafminers
Posted on 2006-06-25 12:44:45 by vivekm1234
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malathion
I'll quote: "However, malathion breaks down into malaoxon, which is 60
times more toxic than malathion."
"Malathion present in untreated water is converted to malaoxon during
the chlorination phase of water treatment"
Also:
"Malathion was used in the 1980s in California to combat the
Mediterranean Fruit Fly."
"Malathion was sprayed in many cities to combat West Nile virus."
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#11: Re: Neem for leafminers
Posted on 2006-06-25 15:23:50 by dr-solo
and we all know how reliable wikipedia is. where is the scientific articles showing
this? Ingrid
Vivek.M <vivekm1234@cyberspace.org> wrote:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malathion
>
>I'll quote: "However, malathion breaks down into malaoxon, which is 60
>times more toxic than malathion."
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#12: Re: Neem for leafminers
Posted on 2006-06-25 16:05:46 by JoeSpareBedroom
<dr-solo@wi.rr.xx.com> wrote in message
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> Vivek.M <vivekm1234@cyberspace.org> wrote:
>
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malathion
>>
>>I'll quote: "However, malathion breaks down into malaoxon, which is 60
>>times more toxic than malathion."
> and we all know how reliable wikipedia is. where is the scientific
> articles showing
> this? Ingrid
The first half of the statement is true. If there are high schools where you
live, and you hurry before they close for summer, you can ask a chemistry
teacher and she/he will explain the chemical conversion to you. Since you're
a very smart person, I assume you will then accept the statement as true.
The second half is probably the one that bothers you, right? If you were to
see three sources of this information which you consider to be absolutely
reliable, who would those sources be? Perhaps I can help you find the
information. It would be this type of thing:
http://www.epa.gov/ged/publica/cabprj4.htm
I think you'll find that interesting, in a way that's sadly predictable.
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#13: Re: Neem for leafminers
Posted on 2006-06-25 18:23:50 by vivekm1234
Hello Ingrid, The Wiki - in most cases, quotes sources; If you scroll
down to the bottom of that page you'll find them. I won't debate Wiki
reliability since that may be construed as being off-topic.
My post was meant to show both sides of the coin, and get the original
poster to check the Wiki ( in case he hadn't ); After all I did post
specific instances where it was used ( from the Wiki ). My post wasn't
meant to lessen the value of your own personal experience with
Malathion, however the poster must be warned about the risks involved
in handling chemicals.
In this particular case:
1. Enclosed areas with poor ventilation - like a gardening shed.
2. Reaction between Malathion and Chlorine ( tap water is chlorinated
).
3. Impurities that may cause harm.
4. Malathion getting in-to drinking water.
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#14: Re: Neem for leafminers
Posted on 2006-06-26 14:21:02 by dr-solo
plonk. Ingrid
"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote:
><dr-solo@wi.rr.xx.com> wrote in message
>news:449f39ab.758887546@news-server.wi.rr.com...
>> Vivek.M <vivekm1234@cyberspace.org> wrote:
>>
>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malathion
>>>
>>>I'll quote: "However, malathion breaks down into malaoxon, which is 60
>>>times more toxic than malathion."
>
>
>> and we all know how reliable wikipedia is. where is the scientific
>> articles showing
>> this? Ingrid
>
>
>The first half of the statement is true. If there are high schools where you
>live, and you hurry before they close for summer, you can ask a chemistry
>teacher and she/he will explain the chemical conversion to you. Since you're
>a very smart person, I assume you will then accept the statement as true.
>
>The second half is probably the one that bothers you, right? If you were to
>see three sources of this information which you consider to be absolutely
>reliable, who would those sources be? Perhaps I can help you find the
>information. It would be this type of thing:
>
>http://www.epa.gov/ged/publica/cabprj4.htm
>
>I think you'll find that interesting, in a way that's sadly predictable.
>Come on back real soon and we'll talk about it.
>
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#15: Re: Neem for leafminers
Posted on 2006-06-26 14:21:02 by JoeSpareBedroom
Gee, Ingrid, I know it's inconvenient to have to actually THINK about the
chemicals you use, but that's reality.
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> plonk. Ingrid
>
> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>><dr-solo@wi.rr.xx.com> wrote in message
>>news:449f39ab.758887546@news-server.wi.rr.com...
>>> Vivek.M <vivekm1234@cyberspace.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malathion
>>>>
>>>>I'll quote: "However, malathion breaks down into malaoxon, which is 60
>>>>times more toxic than malathion."
>>
>>
>>> and we all know how reliable wikipedia is. where is the scientific
>>> articles showing
>>> this? Ingrid
>>
>>
>>The first half of the statement is true. If there are high schools where
>>you
>>live, and you hurry before they close for summer, you can ask a chemistry
>>teacher and she/he will explain the chemical conversion to you. Since
>>you're
>>a very smart person, I assume you will then accept the statement as true.
>>
>>The second half is probably the one that bothers you, right? If you were
>>to
>>see three sources of this information which you consider to be absolutely
>>reliable, who would those sources be? Perhaps I can help you find the
>>information. It would be this type of thing:
>>
>>http://www.epa.gov/ged/publica/cabprj4.htm
>>
>>I think you'll find that interesting, in a way that's sadly predictable.
>>Come on back real soon and we'll talk about it.
>>
>
>
>
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