#1: Weird spider - what is this
Posted on 2006-06-27 19:18:10 by Matthew Reed
I found the weirdest spider on my porch (which is near my garden ). Does
anyone have any idea what this is? It has short legs, which eliminates most
spiders common to this area. It also has a very distinctive pattern on it's
back. Is this a good spider to move to the garden?
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#2: Re: Weird spider - what is this
Posted on 2006-06-27 19:42:18 by Matthew Reed
I vote for a type of jumping spider. Short legs, highly mobile, fat abdomen.
I've never seen one like this, or this big before.
"Matthew Reed" <nospam at zootal dot com nospam> wrote in message
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>I found the weirdest spider on my porch (which is near my garden ). Does
>anyone have any idea what this is? It has short legs, which eliminates most
>spiders common to this area. It also has a very distinctive pattern on it's
>back. Is this a good spider to move to the garden?
>
> http://zootal.no-ip.info/stuff/2006%20June%20Weird%20Spider/ images/DSCF3580.jpg
>
> The entire gallery is here:
>
> http://zootal.no-ip.info/stuff/2006%20June%20Weird%20Spider/
>
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#3: Re: Weird spider - what is this
Posted on 2006-06-27 20:32:40 by John McGaw
Matthew Reed wrote:
> I vote for a type of jumping spider. Short legs, highly mobile, fat abdomen.
> I've never seen one like this, or this big before.
>
>
> "Matthew Reed" <nospam at zootal dot com nospam> wrote in message
> news:lbOdnWGNkdJh9DzZnZ2dnUVZ_qGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> I found the weirdest spider on my porch (which is near my garden ). Does
>> anyone have any idea what this is? It has short legs, which eliminates most
>> spiders common to this area. It also has a very distinctive pattern on it's
>> back. Is this a good spider to move to the garden?
>>
>> http://zootal.no-ip.info/stuff/2006%20June%20Weird%20Spider/ images/DSCF3580.jpg
>>
>> The entire gallery is here:
>>
>> http://zootal.no-ip.info/stuff/2006%20June%20Weird%20Spider/
>>
>
>
I'd agree with the "jumping spider" description. How big was this one?
There is a common species Phidippus audax commonly called the "daring
jumping spider" (sounds like a phrase from a movie trailer) that is
found throughout most of N.A. These spiders get up to 15mm for females
with males being just a little smaller.
As for being good in a garden I think that every sort of spider is good
in a garden, even black widows and brown recluses although having many
of those around would make one more careful about reaching blindly into
a tomato plant feeling for ripe ones. I figure that spiders eat insects
and many insects eat plants therefore the more spiders the better.
--
John McGaw
[Knoxville, TN, USA]
http://johnmcgaw.com
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#4: Re: Weird spider - what is this
Posted on 2006-06-27 21:09:46 by Matthew Reed
> I'd agree with the "jumping spider" description. How big was this one?
> There is a common species Phidippus audax commonly called the "daring
> jumping spider" (sounds like a phrase from a movie trailer) that is found
> throughout most of N.A. These spiders get up to 15mm for females with
> males being just a little smaller.
>
> As for being good in a garden I think that every sort of spider is good in
> a garden, even black widows and brown recluses although having many of
> those around would make one more careful about reaching blindly into a
> tomato plant feeling for ripe ones. I figure that spiders eat insects and
> many insects eat plants therefore the more spiders the better.
>
I spent 15 years in Vegas in a neighborhood with black widow infestations.
They don't like gardens, but prefer dry undisturbed corners and enclosed,
sheltered locations. I think it's the moisture they avoid, as well as the
constant motion of wind and people watering and working around the plants.
I've opened kitchen cupboards and found a large one built a nest overnight.
I've reached into a bag of flour to find one had crawled in and setup a
nest. I came too close to being bit that time. If you know what to look for,
you will see these webs along sidewalks, in corners, just about everywhere
you look. But I rarely saw one in my garden, a black widow would not build a
nest in a tomato plant. The exception might be if it's a large plant
sprawled on the ground. Black Widows are nocturnal, and prefer dark places
for webs, another reason you might not see many of them in the garden. There
are a few spiders that should be killed on sight, and the black widow is one
of them. This spider has no place in home or garden.
</soapbox>
This particular specimen was about 3/8 of an inch long, and rather pretty.
Very unusual looking. Very short legs, and highly mobile. It would actually
move to look at me as I moved my head around to get a good look.
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#5: Re: Weird spider - what is this
Posted on 2006-06-27 21:49:37 by John McGaw
Matthew Reed wrote:
>> I'd agree with the "jumping spider" description. How big was this one?
>> There is a common species Phidippus audax commonly called the "daring
>> jumping spider" (sounds like a phrase from a movie trailer) that is found
>> throughout most of N.A. These spiders get up to 15mm for females with
>> males being just a little smaller.
>>
>> As for being good in a garden I think that every sort of spider is good in
>> a garden, even black widows and brown recluses although having many of
>> those around would make one more careful about reaching blindly into a
>> tomato plant feeling for ripe ones. I figure that spiders eat insects and
>> many insects eat plants therefore the more spiders the better.
>>
>
> I spent 15 years in Vegas in a neighborhood with black widow infestations.
> They don't like gardens, but prefer dry undisturbed corners and enclosed,
> sheltered locations. I think it's the moisture they avoid, as well as the
> constant motion of wind and people watering and working around the plants.
> I've opened kitchen cupboards and found a large one built a nest overnight.
> I've reached into a bag of flour to find one had crawled in and setup a
> nest. I came too close to being bit that time. If you know what to look for,
> you will see these webs along sidewalks, in corners, just about everywhere
> you look. But I rarely saw one in my garden, a black widow would not build a
> nest in a tomato plant. The exception might be if it's a large plant
> sprawled on the ground. Black Widows are nocturnal, and prefer dark places
> for webs, another reason you might not see many of them in the garden. There
> are a few spiders that should be killed on sight, and the black widow is one
> of them. This spider has no place in home or garden.
>
> </soapbox>
>
> This particular specimen was about 3/8 of an inch long, and rather pretty.
> Very unusual looking. Very short legs, and highly mobile. It would actually
> move to look at me as I moved my head around to get a good look.
>
>
I, too lived in Clark County for some time and know a bit about living
around black widows. They didn't bother me terribly as long as they were
outside but they did freak my wife out no matter where they were so any
time she saw one it became my duty to kill it.
There are a few of them around this area but not in numbers like LV. I
had one living just outside my bathroom window and I spent an entire
summer watching her go about regular life, catching prey, and raising
some spiderlings. But like I said, as long as they are outside and in a
known location I still go by "live and let live".
I had a small jumping spider which took up residence in/on/around the
exterior keypad for my garage door. And we got to know each other pretty
well and (s)he got to the point where I was trusted to put a small
stunned fly on the top of the keypad and occasionally the spider would
grab it before it recovered and flew or fell off. The spider could also
be counted upon to put up its front legs in a boxing stance if I waved
my finger in front of its face. Jumping spiders are supposed to have
very good vision and I'm convinced that this one eventually came to
recognize me on sight.
--
John McGaw
[Knoxville, TN, USA]
http://johnmcgaw.com
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#6: Re: Weird spider - what is this
Posted on 2006-06-28 16:27:29 by thad01
John McGaw <nobody@nowh.ere> wrote:
>
> I had a small jumping spider which took up residence in/on/around the
> exterior keypad for my garage door. And we got to know each other pretty
> well and (s)he got to the point where I was trusted to put a small
> stunned fly on the top of the keypad and occasionally the spider would
> grab it before it recovered and flew or fell off. The spider could also
> be counted upon to put up its front legs in a boxing stance if I waved
> my finger in front of its face. Jumping spiders are supposed to have
> very good vision and I'm convinced that this one eventually came to
> recognize me on sight.
I've always had a fondness for what is commonly called 'garden spiders'
around these parts. They have a colorful black and yellow pattern and
can grow rather large (a couple of inches in diameter). There was a
bridge near the college I attended that was covered with their webs.
Creeped some people out but I was fascinated. Also had one living in
my porch railing... almost considered her a pet after a while.
Thad
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#7: Re: Weird spider - what is this
Posted on 2006-07-01 09:22:26 by Matthew Reed
<thad01@tux.glaci.remove-this.com> wrote in message
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> John McGaw <nobody@nowh.ere> wrote:
>>
>> I had a small jumping spider which took up residence in/on/around the
>> exterior keypad for my garage door. And we got to know each other pretty
>> well and (s)he got to the point where I was trusted to put a small
>> stunned fly on the top of the keypad and occasionally the spider would
>> grab it before it recovered and flew or fell off. The spider could also
>> be counted upon to put up its front legs in a boxing stance if I waved
>> my finger in front of its face. Jumping spiders are supposed to have
>> very good vision and I'm convinced that this one eventually came to
>> recognize me on sight.
>
> I've always had a fondness for what is commonly called 'garden spiders'
> around these parts. They have a colorful black and yellow pattern and
> can grow rather large (a couple of inches in diameter). There was a
> bridge near the college I attended that was covered with their webs.
> Creeped some people out but I was fascinated. Also had one living in
> my porch railing... almost considered her a pet after a while.
>
> Thad
>
My daughter and I watched a small garden spider building it's web this
evening. Quite fascinating. Around here the only poisonous spiders are black
widow (rare, easy to find and avoid) and hobo (rare, fairly easy to avoid).
The garden spiders are niether, so they don't bother me. The house spiders
are of the same family as the hobo, but I've learned how to tell the
difference, so they don't bother me either. They also eat the hobo when they
find them. Things that leave me alone, I leave alone. However, a mud dauber
build a nest above my front door. I hated to kill it, but I can't have it's
nest there so I killed the poor thing. Otherwise I would have left it alone
as they are not agressive and are beneficial wasps.
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