#1: Transforming rough ground into garden/lawn
Posted on 2006-07-18 22:50:58 by tenplay
In my backyard, I have an area roughly 20X30 that is covered by some
blackberry vines, maple tree shoots, and gravel mixed in with the dirt.
What is best way to reclaim this area so that I can use it for a
garden or lawn? I have no idea how it got to be this way before we
moved onto the property. Thanks for any advice.
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#2: Re: Transforming rough ground into garden/lawn
Posted on 2006-07-18 23:21:40 by JoeSpareBedroom
"tenplay" <tenplay@mail.com> wrote in message
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> In my backyard, I have an area roughly 20X30 that is covered by some
> blackberry vines, maple tree shoots, and gravel mixed in with the dirt.
> What is best way to reclaim this area so that I can use it for a garden or
> lawn? I have no idea how it got to be this way before we moved onto the
> property. Thanks for any advice.
Kneepads, spade, pitch fork, backbreaking work that'll make you curse for
hours on end. Easier if you water thoroughly today, and work on it 24 hours
later, since many weeds will loosen their grip on the soil when it's moist
(but not mud). Five years later, you'll look at it and feel REALLY good
about what you did.
It would help a lot to own the tool at the link below. I've had one for 20
years. If someone tried to take it away from me, I'd put it through their
skull. It's the best garden tool ever made, period, end of discussion. It
works because of it's shape and heftiness, not because of being sharp (which
it isn't), and will cut through almost any root, weed, branch, whatever.
It'll make you extremely happy.
http://www.seedsofchange.com/garden_center/product_details.a sp?item_no=S16245&q=+knife
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#3: Re: Transforming rough ground into garden/lawn
Posted on 2006-07-19 02:57:17 by ToweringQs
tenplay wrote:
"In my backyard, I have an area roughly 20X30 that is covered by some
blackberry vines, maple tree shoots, and gravel mixed in with the dirt.
What is best way to reclaim this area so that I can use it for a
garden or lawn? I have no idea how it got to be this way before we
moved onto the property. Thanks for any advice."
Scalp mow. Rake debris. Amend pH. Roto-till. Plant. Tend.
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#4: Re: Transforming rough ground into garden/lawn
Posted on 2006-07-19 03:16:27 by CALS
First, sue the previous owner for "hidden defect".
Try mixing 6-10 inches of vegetable compost into the top 12 inches of
soil and amend with worm castings. You can also top-dress with a good
garden soil from your local suppliers.
Good luck and bend at the knees !
tenplay wrote:
> In my backyard, I have an area roughly 20X30 that is covered by some
> blackberry vines, maple tree shoots, and gravel mixed in with the dirt.
> What is best way to reclaim this area so that I can use it for a
> garden or lawn? I have no idea how it got to be this way before we
> moved onto the property. Thanks for any advice.
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#5: Re: Transforming rough ground into garden/lawn
Posted on 2006-07-19 04:07:45 by JoeSpareBedroom
"CALS" <clean.air.landscaping@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> First, sue the previous owner for "hidden defect".
>
> Try mixing 6-10 inches of vegetable compost into the top 12 inches of
> soil and amend with worm castings. You can also top-dress with a good
> garden soil from your local suppliers.
The weeds will LOVE this treatment. He needs to dig and hack and sweat and
curse for a season or two.
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#6: Re: Transforming rough ground into garden/lawn
Posted on 2006-07-19 05:21:18 by james.smith1
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> "CALS" <clean.air.landscaping@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:1153271787.571389.290500@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > First, sue the previous owner for "hidden defect".
> >
> > Try mixing 6-10 inches of vegetable compost into the top 12 inches of
> > soil and amend with worm castings. You can also top-dress with a good
> > garden soil from your local suppliers.
>
> The weeds will LOVE this treatment. He needs to dig and hack and sweat and
> curse for a season or two.
I agree, you first must clean the mess up before you want to add soil
amendments and fertilizers.
Since blackberries most frequently spread via the roots, rototilling
would be your best option. 6 to 8 inches should do the trick. I'd
suggest finding someone with a tractor and tiller attachment for this
job. Prior to this however, it will be necessary for you to remove all
the bramble and filth from the area (hire it done or experience a nice,
long weekend using some power tools). You might even want to apply some
non-selective herbicide prior to the cleanup, hopefully this would
eliminate some of the clutter from returning from the roots.
Primarily the best method of getting your yard back in shape is to
dress appropriately, drink lots of water when its hot, and dive into
the first job needing done and don't stop until your finished. Good
luck and have fun (if you've got kids, make it a family thing; a little
hard work never hurt anyone).
JD
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#7: Re: Transforming rough ground into garden/lawn
Posted on 2006-07-19 05:25:46 by JoeSpareBedroom
"JD" <james.smith1@wku.edu> wrote in message
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> You might even want to apply some
> non-selective herbicide prior to the cleanup, hopefully this would
> eliminate some of the clutter from returning from the roots.
Chemicals are for amateurs and hacks.
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#8: Re: Transforming rough ground into garden/lawn
Posted on 2006-07-20 00:46:14 by Sterling
"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "JD" <james.smith1@wku.edu> wrote in message
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>
>> You might even want to apply some
>> non-selective herbicide prior to the cleanup, hopefully this would
>> eliminate some of the clutter from returning from the roots.
>
> Chemicals are for amateurs and hacks.
But a good BobCat(tm) works wonders for me. Scrape it all off the
top and start over from scratch. If your topsoil's not that deep, you
may end up scraping it all off -- careful.
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#9: Re: Transforming rough ground into garden/lawn
Posted on 2006-07-20 02:03:41 by JoeSpareBedroom
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> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> "JD" <james.smith1@wku.edu> wrote in message
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>>
>>> You might even want to apply some
>>> non-selective herbicide prior to the cleanup, hopefully this would
>>> eliminate some of the clutter from returning from the roots.
>>
>> Chemicals are for amateurs and hacks.
>
> But a good BobCat(tm) works wonders for me. Scrape it all off the
> top and start over from scratch. If your topsoil's not that deep, you
> may end up scraping it all off -- careful.
>
I'd agree with that. And, while you're at it, you can dig a pond or three,
and make a berm. Or, boim, as they say in NY.
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#10: Re: Transforming rough ground into garden/lawn
Posted on 2006-07-20 03:29:49 by David Hare-Scott
"tenplay" <tenplay@mail.com> wrote in message
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> In my backyard, I have an area roughly 20X30
20X30 what? feet, yards, metres, cubits? It will make a difference to your
costs by anything up to a factor of 10.
>that is covered by some
> blackberry vines, maple tree shoots,
Apply gyphosate when growing strongly (spring or summer), dig out when dead,
repeat dose if required. Just digging will not get all the blackberry
roots, they will keep coming up for ages.
> and gravel mixed in with the dirt.
Investigate the top 6-12 inches of soil, its what you find there determines
what you need to do. What sort of dirt? How much gravel? What sort of
gravel? How deep is the top layer? What is underneath?
> What is best way to reclaim this area so that I can use it for a
> garden or lawn? I have no idea how it got to be this way before we
> moved onto the property. Thanks for any advice.
Depending on the nature of the soil and your budget improving it or
replacing it may be the better option.
David
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