#1: [IBC] Hex and Oct pot question
Posted on 2005-07-04 21:49:12 by GOPHERHILL
Sorry about the blank.
Are hexagonal and octagonal pots treated as round pots or oval pots? If we
treat them as round pots we put the tree in the center. If we treat them as
oval pots we put the tree off center to the right or left.
I just potted up a Bucera spinosa (Bahamian Black Olive) in a hex pot and
treated it as oval.
Billy on the Florida Space Coast
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#2: Re: [IBC] Hex and Oct pot question
Posted on 2005-07-04 22:06:05 by awbonsai
Billy: Your instincts were good, even if your information was
not. It is not a good plan ever to plant in the center of a pot,
even a round one. It may be a bit more forgivable in a round pot,
but asymmetric balance looks more natural.
Alan Walker
http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org
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From: Billy M. Rhodes
Are hexagonal and octagonal pots treated as round pots or oval
pots? If we treat them as round pots we put the tree in the
center. If we treat them as oval pots we put the tree off center
to the right or left.
I just potted up a Bucera spinosa (Bahamian Black Olive) in a hex
pot and treated it as oval.
Billy on the Florida Space Coast
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#3: Re: [IBC] Hex and Oct pot question
Posted on 2005-07-04 22:14:03 by pauline
Classically as a round pot. But I do let my eye make the judgement.
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Of Billy M. Rhodes
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Subject: [IBC] Hex and Oct pot question
Sorry about the blank.
Are hexagonal and octagonal pots treated as round pots or oval pots? If we
treat them as round pots we put the tree in the center. If we treat them as
oval pots we put the tree off center to the right or left.
I just potted up a Bucera spinosa (Bahamian Black Olive) in a hex pot and
treated it as oval.
Billy on the Florida Space Coast
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#4: Re: [IBC] Hex and Oct pot question
Posted on 2005-07-04 23:27:00 by WNV
Bonsai containers are generally classified as symmetrical or equal
sided (round, square, hexagonal and octagonal) and asymmetrical
(rectangular and oval).
In classical bonsai generally the center of the trunk is positioned in
the center of equal sided containers for perfect symmetry and to
provide or emphasize trunk line movement. The center of the trunk is
generally positioned off center (sometimes 1/3 from one end) in
asymmetrical containers to emphasize branches and present a more
asymmetrical feeling. However, the conditions of the roots may dictate
other planting positions...
Hope this helps, but personal opinion is important too.
Bill
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#5: Re: [IBC] Hex and Oct pot question
Posted on 2005-07-05 08:58:09 by anilkaushik
Also, round, square, hexagonal and octagonal containers are deeper than the
oval and rectangular ones. In my opinion only those styles which do not fit
in the oval and rectangular containers, should go in the symmetrical pots
such as cascades and semi-cascades. And as for the placement in center is
concerned, in most cases they look good if center of the trunk is placed in
the centre. However the design elements may necessitate placing it slightly
off center. One can not confine art to man made rules.
Regards
Anil Kaushik
Bonsai Club (India)
Chandigarh "The City Beautiful"
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William Valavanis
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Subject: Re: [IBC] Hex and Oct pot question
Bonsai containers are generally classified as symmetrical or equal
sided () and asymmetrical
(rectangular and oval).
In classical bonsai generally the center of the trunk is positioned in
the center of equal sided containers for perfect symmetry and to
provide or emphasize trunk line movement. The center of the trunk is
generally positioned off center (sometimes 1/3 from one end) in
asymmetrical containers to emphasize branches and present a more
asymmetrical feeling. However, the conditions of the roots may dictate
other planting positions...
Hope this helps, but personal opinion is important too.
Bill
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#6: Re: [IBC] Hex and Oct pot question
Posted on 2005-07-05 17:46:14 by ccowing
On Jul 4, 2005, at 4:05 PM, Pauline Muth wrote:
> Classically as a round pot. But I do let my eye make the judgement.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Internet Bonsai Club [mailto:BONSAI@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM]On Behalf
> Of Billy M. Rhodes
> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 3:49 PM
> To: BONSAI@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM
> Subject: [IBC] Hex and Oct pot question
>
>
> Sorry about the blank.
>
> Are hexagonal and octagonal pots treated as round pots or oval pots?
> If we
> treat them as round pots we put the tree in the center. If we treat
> them as
> oval pots we put the tree off center to the right or left.
> I just potted up a Bucera spinosa (Bahamian Black Olive) in a hex pot
> and
> treated it as oval.
> Billy on the Florida Space Coast
>
>
>
FWIW I try to have a tree that's in a round/hexagonal pot as close to
the center as possible. My feeling is that the tree looks off balance
otherwise. In an oval or rectangular pot your eye has the luxury of
moving from side to side. There is space, lengthwise, for the tree to
be off-center. But in a round pot you don't have that extra space.
Craig Cowing
NY
Zone 5b/6a Sunset 37
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#7: Re: [IBC] Hex and Oct pot question
Posted on 2005-07-05 19:56:55 by jklewis
Billy M. Rhodes wrote:
> Sorry about the blank.
>
> Are hexagonal and octagonal pots treated as round pots or oval pots? If we
> treat them as round pots we put the tree in the center. If we treat them as
> oval pots we put the tree off center to the right or left.
> I just potted up a Bucera spinosa (Bahamian Black Olive) in a hex pot and
> treated it as oval.
> Billy on the Florida Space Coast
>
Simple.
By the book: If the hex or oct is longer in one direction
than in any of the others, treat as an oval. If all sides
are equal, treat as round.
In actuality, treat however the tree looks best.
Jim Lewis - jklewis@nettally.com - Tallahassee, FL - Nature
encourages no looseness, pardons no errors. Ralph Waldo Emerson
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#8: Re: [IBC] Hex and Oct pot question
Posted on 2005-07-09 16:50:22 by donw
Would the position of the apex in relation to the pot be a concern? How
significant is the style of the tree?
Thanks,
Don Walker
Just north of Austin
> -----Original Message-----
> Subject: Re: [IBC] Hex and Oct pot question
>
> Billy M. Rhodes wrote:
> > Sorry about the blank.
> >
> > Are hexagonal and octagonal pots treated as round pots or
> oval pots?
> > If we treat them as round pots we put the tree in the center. If we
> > treat them as oval pots we put the tree off center to the
> right or left.
> > I just potted up a Bucera spinosa (Bahamian Black Olive) in
> a hex pot
> > and treated it as oval.
> > Billy on the Florida Space Coast
> >
>
> Simple.
>
> By the book: If the hex or oct is longer in one direction
> than in any of the others, treat as an oval. If all sides
> are equal, treat as round.
>
> In actuality, treat however the tree looks best.
>
> Jim Lewis - jklewis@nettally.com - Tallahassee, FL - Nature
> encourages no looseness, pardons no errors. Ralph Waldo Emerson
>
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