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#1: Bonsai Newbie

Posted on 2005-07-15 14:15:36 by Tekmanx

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I just got some "Chinese Juniper - Juniperus Chinensis" seeds from ebay
and I'm ready to get started with the germination process, problem is..
I want to be very careful and make the most educated decisions when
growing this plant. I'm sure a bonsai guru will be here to confirm and
guide me through the process.

I also got this bonsai kit from ebay that are supposedly some type of
pine seeds, I followed all the instructions in the book along with the
steps given by the guy on this site:
http://www.irateweirdos.com/bo nsai/bonsai.htm

Here are the steps I took for the pine bonsai:

1. Soak on water for 24hrs.
2. Set in refrigerator wrapped in paper towel for one week.
3. Lightly press seeds into already moist pellet that came with the
kit.
(Final stage done about two days before this post)

Let me know if I am going wrong anywhere, your advice will be -greatly-
appreciated... did I mention this is my first bonsai plant? :D By the
way.. are there any good online resources for bonsai?

Here's a few pictures just in case my seeds were mislabeled :D.
- http://tekmanx.serveftp.com/~t ekmanx/Bonsai

Thanks in advance,
-Tekmanx

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#2: Re: [IBC] Bonsai Newbie

Posted on 2005-07-15 15:09:35 by SteveWachs

I would wait until next spring to plant the Pines. They need that cold period , but then you plant them im the spring. The d not do well indoors.

SteveW
Long Island NY


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Subject: [IBC] Bonsai Newbie


Tekmanx Jul 11, 6:28 pm show options
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I just got some "Chinese Juniper - Juniperus Chinensis" seeds from ebay
and I'm ready to get started with the germination process, problem is..
I want to be very careful and make the most educated decisions when
growing this plant. I'm sure a bonsai guru will be here to confirm and
guide me through the process.

I also got this bonsai kit from ebay that are supposedly some type of
pine seeds, I followed all the instructions in the book along with the
steps given by the guy on this site:
http://www.irateweirdos.com/bo nsai/bonsai.htm

Here are the steps I took for the pine bonsai:

1. Soak on water for 24hrs.
2. Set in refrigerator wrapped in paper towel for one week.
3. Lightly press seeds into already moist pellet that came with the
kit.
(Final stage done about two days before this post)

Let me know if I am going wrong anywhere, your advice will be -greatly-
appreciated... did I mention this is my first bonsai plant? :D By the
way.. are there any good online resources for bonsai?

Here's a few pictures just in case my seeds were mislabeled :D.
- http://tekmanx.serveftp.com/~t ekmanx/Bonsai

Thanks in advance,
-Tekmanx

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#3: Re: Bonsai Newbie

Posted on 2005-07-15 15:34:06 by nina

I emailed Tekmanx offlist, but this got me to thinking: I have *never*
gotten a query about one of these bonsai kits on my "bonsai doctor"
site. I get every other kind of newbie phenomenon: sulky serissa,
crispy juniper, sticky fukien tea, so I wonder if these things are so
spectacularly unsuccessful that no one ever gets the seeds to germinate
and live long enough to ask me a question. I cry whenever I see one of
these kits in a store. The *Smithsonian* sells them.

Here is how I germinate seeds for my research:

step 1) I read up on the plant in Dirr's "Reference manual of woody
plant propagation". He usually gives detailed instructions on
scarification of the seed, soaking it, giving it a warm period and a
cold period.

step 2) I plant a number of seeds in a large pot or tray filled with a
good potting medium.

step 3) We have warm and cool temperature greenhouses and overhead
misting systems. I pick what I want and incubate the plants;
germination can take several months, depending on the plant.

step 4) When the seedlings are big enough to handle, I transplant them
to their own pots. If I were raising these for bonsai (instead of
ghoulishly raising them so I can infect and kill them), I'd plant them
outside so they could grow big and strong.

Nina

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#4: Re: [IBC] Bonsai Newbie

Posted on 2005-07-15 17:14:25 by jklewis

Nina wrote:
> I emailed Tekmanx offlist, but this got me to thinking: I have *never*
> gotten a query about one of these bonsai kits on my "bonsai doctor"
> site. I get every other kind of newbie phenomenon: sulky serissa,
> crispy juniper, sticky fukien tea, so I wonder if these things are so
> spectacularly unsuccessful that no one ever gets the seeds to germinate
> and live long enough to ask me a question. I cry whenever I see one of
> these kits in a store. The *Smithsonian* sells them.

Bookstores (Barnes & Noble and Borders) sell them, too -- on
the shelves with the books -- in the gardening section.
There's a "Mini-Bonsai Kit" and a "Bonsai Kit." Also a "Zen
Garden" kit.

Another way to rip money from the pockets of the
unsuspecting. At least in the Mini-Bonsai Kit, the seeds
are from the Italian Stone Pine. The instruction book
measures 1/8 inch thick by 2 x 2 inches, about 8 pages. The
info in it is OK -- nothing that will flat-out kill
seedlings. But nothing that will result in a bonsai for the
unsuspecting buyer, either.

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#5: Re: Bonsai Newbie

Posted on 2005-07-15 21:26:49 by Tekmanx

I guess I better be very carefull what I ask here..getting flamed in
all.. j/k. Ok, so what do you suggest for growing indoors? And I'm in
Miami/The Bahamas. Something I can sit on my comp desk and say..
ocassionally set at the window for sunlight.

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#6: Re: Bonsai Newbie

Posted on 2005-07-15 21:27:03 by Tekmanx

I guess I better be very carefull what I ask here..getting flamed in
all.. j/k. Ok, so what do you suggest for growing indoors? And I'm in
Miami/The Bahamas. Something I can sit on my comp desk and say..
ocassionally set at the window for sunlight.

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#7: Re: [IBC] Bonsai Newbie

Posted on 2005-07-15 21:43:12 by ccowing

On Jul 15, 2005, at 3:26 PM, Tekmanx wrote:

> I guess I better be very carefull what I ask here..getting flamed in
> all.. j/k. Ok, so what do you suggest for growing indoors? And I'm in
> Miami/The Bahamas. Something I can sit on my comp desk and say..
> ocassionally set at the window for sunlight.
>
>

I'd go with a succulent. A jade tree, Crassula
argentea/arborescens/ovata, or Elephant bush, Portulacaria afra (solid
green, not variegated.)

Craig Cowng
NY
Zone 5b/6a Sunset 37

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#8: Re: Bonsai Newbie

Posted on 2005-07-15 23:30:32 by Tekmanx

Did you see the link in my very first post? About the kit, I didn't
plan to start this hobby.. I just saw the kit and was like "Oh this
looks cool, I should try it" I mean it only cost me $5? If that much.
The seeds have already started to germinate. I accidentally pulled one
out being filled with excitement, I thought it was a little pebble atop
my soil. At this rate I think I should have pics up by...say next 3days
with the main stem above soil level.

Sorry if I offended you by buying this... I guess the crooks that sold
it were successful in conning me..

Tekmanx

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#9: Re: Bonsai Newbie

Posted on 2005-07-16 00:01:13 by Tekmanx

Damn, I didn't know I had so many options! I got a book alittle over a
week go "Sunset Bonsai", I'll look it up in there:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0376030461/qid =1121462489/sr=8-4/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i4_xgl14/002-3677603-78272 69?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

I guess my next question is, what's the best site to order my seeds
from? I can't wait to get started... by the way, about the pine seeds I
got with that kit, I guess I'll still grow that in the background, give
the other trees more attention. I figure it would be good if 5-10yrs
from now I can look at the tree with pride and say "I did this".

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#10: Re: [IBC] Bonsai Newbie

Posted on 2005-07-16 00:22:59 by jklewis

Tekmanx wrote:
> Did you see the link in my very first post? About the kit, I didn't
> plan to start this hobby.. I just saw the kit and was like "Oh this
> looks cool, I should try it" I mean it only cost me $5? If that much.
> The seeds have already started to germinate. I accidentally pulled one
> out being filled with excitement, I thought it was a little pebble atop
> my soil. At this rate I think I should have pics up by...say next 3days
> with the main stem above soil level.
>
> Sorry if I offended you by buying this... I guess the crooks that sold
> it were successful in conning me..
>


No one was offended at or by you. None of that was aimed at
you, but at the barsteds that market stuff like that to
folks who want to actually "do" bonsai. The seeds seldom
survive much beyond germination. Assuming a few DID
survive, they would take at least 5 years to make a baby
bonsai, and they are NOT trees that would survive indoors
under the best of office conditions.

The result is a disappointed customer who is certain that
the trees died because of something THEY did -- and it was NOT.

So, just have fun with the little seedlings if they sprout
and survive, but take Craig s advice and buy a succulent
that makes a nice bonsai, or perhaps a Ficus of some sort
that has small leaves.

Visit your local library and pick up a book or two on bonsai
and do some reading.

Have fun.

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#11: Re: [IBC] Bonsai Newbie

Posted on 2005-07-16 00:28:26 by jklewis

Tekmanx wrote:
> Damn, I didn't know I had so many options! I got a book alittle over a
> week go "Sunset Bonsai", I'll look it up in there:

> I guess my next question is, what's the best site to order my seeds
> from? I can't wait to get started... by the way, about the pine seeds I
> got with that kit, I guess I'll still grow that in the background, give
> the other trees more attention. I figure it would be good if 5-10yrs
> from now I can look at the tree with pride and say "I did this".

Sunset is one of the best beginning bonsai books. But
believe what they say about the trees that will survive
indoors. Very few will. Almost none will *thrive* in the
normal household or office environment. It's too dark, too
dry, and not warm enough.

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#12: Re: [IBC] Bonsai Newbie

Posted on 2005-07-16 00:29:59 by susanszoocrew

Craig-I find the Portulacaria's are much much happier outside than in a
window, even a sunny one... the ones I have on my windowsill grow much
slower, are more leggy, and are soft and pale compared to even the ones that
are in the shade outside (I'm in S. Florida).... And actually, the
variagated ones seem to do better inside that the regular ones!
Portulacaria's are from africa and grow out in the full sun really well....
and mine don't seem to like the air conditioning.. Perhaps a jade tree would
take it better?

>From: Craig Cowing <ccowing@FRONTIERNET.NET>
>Reply-To: Craig Cowing <ccowing@FRONTIERNET.NET>
>To: BONSAI@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM
>Subject: Re: [IBC] Bonsai Newbie
>Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:34:28 -0400
>
>On Jul 15, 2005, at 3:26 PM, Tekmanx wrote:
>
>>I guess I better be very carefull what I ask here..getting flamed in
>>all.. j/k. Ok, so what do you suggest for growing indoors? And I'm in
>>Miami/The Bahamas. Something I can sit on my comp desk and say..
>>ocassionally set at the window for sunlight.
>>
>>
>
>I'd go with a succulent. A jade tree, Crassula argentea/arborescens/ovata,
>or Elephant bush, Portulacaria afra (solid green, not variegated.)
>
>Craig Cowng
>NY
>Zone 5b/6a Sunset 37
>
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#13: Re: Bonsai Newbie

Posted on 2005-07-16 03:29:25 by Tekmanx

Ok I think I'm starting to narrow it down. I'm now looking into growing
a ficus bonsai. I looked it up in my "Sunset Bonsai" book and it didn't
give a specific zone. Instead it says "Vary by species". Where I'm from
in the Bahamas, I grew up with ficus plants all around.. they have
created a border for my front yard, was the biggest tree at my school I
grew up in. There are many places that just flash back in my mind where
I saw a ficus plant, question is.. what species do these ficus belong
to? Which ficus is the right one for me?

Another question Little off topic here, can any tree be a bonsai tree?
What makes a bonsai....training or the actual parent tree? Hope you get
my drift, what I'm asking is.. is bonsai the name of a type of plant in
the wild.. or the name given to a plant grown with special care in a
shallow pot?

Also, do you guys have any suggestions on where I can purchase bonsai
plants/seeds/accessories from online?

Tekmanx
-Zone 25

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#14: Re: [IBC] Bonsai Newbie

Posted on 2005-07-16 14:07:27 by jklewis

Tekmanx wrote:
> Ok I think I'm starting to narrow it down. I'm now looking into growing
> a ficus bonsai. I looked it up in my "Sunset Bonsai" book and it didn't
> give a specific zone. Instead it says "Vary by species". Where I'm from
> in the Bahamas, I grew up with ficus plants all around.. they have
> created a border for my front yard, was the biggest tree at my school I
> grew up in. There are many places that just flash back in my mind where
> I saw a ficus plant, question is.. what species do these ficus belong
> to? Which ficus is the right one for me?
>
> Another question Little off topic here, can any tree be a bonsai tree?
> What makes a bonsai....training or the actual parent tree? Hope you get
> my drift, what I'm asking is.. is bonsai the name of a type of plant in
> the wild.. or the name given to a plant grown with special care in a
> shallow pot?
>
> Also, do you guys have any suggestions on where I can purchase bonsai
> plants/seeds/accessories from online?
>
> Tekmanx
> -Zone 25

Ficus will not live outside in climates that have freezing
winter weather (though they do well outside in spring summer
and early fall in those areas).

Are you still in Jamaica?

Sunset's zone 25 is the equivalent to the USDA's zone 11 --
which is most of southern Florida. The Sunset National zone
system is MUCH better (more detailed) than the USDA zone
system, but for some reason has not gained that much acclaim
-- maybe because Sunset Magazine is limited to 10 western
(US) states, so is less well known over the other 3/4 of the
country or because it is more complex -- probably the
latter, we tend to prefer the simple approximation to the
detail of accuracy.

Anyway, Ficus will grow outside in zone 25 year 'round --
always with the _possibility_ of a freak winter cold spell
-- more and more unlikely these days.

Any tree CAN be a bonsai, but perhaps not a good one. It is
the method of growing them that makes a tree a bonsai. Your
Sunset book should explain this in more detail. A GOOD
bonsai is one with small leaves that are more in proportion
to the size of the potted tree. Thus a Southern magnolia
(or a "rubber tree" -- another type of Ficus) can be
"bonsaied" but won't make a good "bonsai" because the leaves
won't reduce enough.

As for supplies, you should go to our IBC Home Page --
address below -- and choose any of our sponsors.

And as far as seeds go, unless you just love the idea of
growing a bonsai from seed, that is a VERY long-term
proposition. You will do much better, faster, by buying a
suitable plant at a nursery and working with that.

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#15: Re: Bonsai Newbie

Posted on 2005-07-16 17:45:17 by Tekmanx

It's the Bahamas. Why does everyone get the Bahamas confused with
Jamaica? I'm in Florida right now though, will be going home in... -3
months?Anyway, that stated. You're saying ficus, cool I'll look it up.
Call me stubborn but I just like the idea of growing from the seeds.
Don't get me wrong, I don't plan to work with one specimen at a time.
So I picture myself with a couple of seeds maybe 5-10 little plants
germinating in the background while I play with the small tree I bought
in the foreground. This hobby.. from what I've seen is inexpensive so
far. However, you pay with patience...I plan to minimize this in a way
by having multiple plants grow the same time, I think I can get a bit
impatient at times.

Tekmanx
-Zone 25 (Bahamas)

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#16: Re: [IBC] Bonsai Newbie

Posted on 2005-07-16 17:57:17 by susanszoocrew

Bonsai refers to a "tree in a tray"... and just about any tree can be
trained as a bonsai, and other plants for that matter. Some plants do not
like being in pots, others look out of proportion. The way I see good bonsai
is, here's the goal: if you were to take a picture of the bonsai, just the
plant-nothing in the background or nearby to suggest scale, it would look
like a normal sized tree. Only until you saw something to compare it to
could you tell it was a small one in a pot.
And it doesn't have to be a shallow pot- a cascade style would fall over if
it were in a shallow pot! Different species of trees lend themselves to
different sizes of bonsai also, I have seen some bonsai in pictures that
looked awesome and was amazaed they got that type of tree to be bonsai'd...
then I saw the real tree in person and it was WAY bigger than I thought!
Different people have different definitions of what becomes too big to be
bonsai...a lot of it is in the styling of the tree. Just sticking a tree in
a pot doesn't immediatly make it bonsai. And when I say "tree" I don't mean
a pine or juniper, most woody plants can be trained as bonsai. I say a
picture of a rose done as bonsai (wish I could find more pics!), and a rose
isnt' what most people would call a tree...
Seeds will make you impatient if you don't also have a bigger plant to
work with... The tendency will be to overcare for the seedlings (trust me on
this!). I'm finding this out the hard way, I have a tendency to be
impatient. I have to "hide" plants from myself that are too young/immature
to work with or I'll work with them anyway! To stop myself from doing this,
I went to Home Depot over a period of a few weeks and picked up some
junipers to style-those little buggers grow so much they keep me too busy to
mess with my poor holly plant or my baby pine seedling :). And for a few
dollars, you get practice on styling.

Susan L. Marsh

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#17: Re: Bonsai Newbie

Posted on 2005-07-17 01:31:12 by Tekmanx

Update! I went to walmart today, no I didn't buy a bonsai plant from
walmart, put away that flame torch..heh. Ok I went to the plant
section.. bought a few shallow pots, some rooting hormone product and
potting soil. I got a bit carried away and didn't read the section in
the book or get any advice from you guys yet about the "propper"
rooting hormone/potting soil if there is a such thing. What can I say,
I got excited...the good news is, I'm going to read it now! And I got
pics for you guys to see what I got so I can get some insite. Talk
about an inexpensive hobby, I got all this stuff for under $10! I think
it was like $8.50.

http://tekmanx.serveftp.com/~tekmanx/plant-stuff/

Also, I noticed some people send me emails direct and I see some
follow-ups there but not here on the groups page. Is it suppose to be
this way? I would prefer to see the reply to my post up here on the
groups page.

Tekmanx
-Zone 25
(Florida/Bahamas)

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#18: Re: [IBC] Bonsai Newbie

Posted on 2005-07-17 02:53:19 by haberm

One thing is in your favor - you've got enthusiasm. Now about the stuff you
bought. The soil is an ordinary potting mix: good for annuals and other
herbacious plants, but not good for bonsai. Why? Because it holds too much
water and has insufficient drainage. You need soil with large particulates
which will let the water drain away from the roots quickly.
As for the pots or trays, I see no holes in the bottom for drainage. You
could drill some holes, but they would still not do the trick when planting
seeds. They could be used much later, after the seeds have germinated and
developed good root systems.
Do yourself favor and start with mature nursery stock. Growing from seed is
fine, but takes forever to become a bonsai.
Your $8.50 purchase was cheap indeed, but one gets what one pays for. Good
luck!

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> Update! I went to walmart today, no I didn't buy a bonsai plant from
> walmart, put away that flame torch..heh. Ok I went to the plant
> section.. bought a few shallow pots, some rooting hormone product and
> potting soil. I got a bit carried away and didn't read the section in
> the book or get any advice from you guys yet about the "propper"
> rooting hormone/potting soil if there is a such thing. What can I say,
> I got excited...the good news is, I'm going to read it now! And I got
> pics for you guys to see what I got so I can get some insite. Talk
> about an inexpensive hobby, I got all this stuff for under $10! I think
> it was like $8.50.
>
> http://tekmanx.serveftp.com/~tekmanx/plant-stuff/
>
> Also, I noticed some people send me emails direct and I see some
> follow-ups there but not here on the groups page. Is it suppose to be
> this way? I would prefer to see the reply to my post up here on the
> groups page.
>
> Tekmanx
> -Zone 25
> (Florida/Bahamas)
>
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#19: Re: Bonsai Newbie

Posted on 2005-07-17 03:03:47 by Tekmanx

Firstly I'll paste what DanD wrote me in email:

"
Hi Tekmanx, my main comments are about the pots - these are basically
drainage pans for large pots and if you are going to use them you
should put some holes in the bottom so excess water can drain out.
These are pretty small as well, not sure what you are intending to
plant in them but I'd keep it on the small/short side since there will
be little soil to anchor the roots. Pots this small also can dry out
very fast on a hot day so you'll have to be very careful of that. To be
honest, being new to the hobby I would suggest getting some deeper
pots, you're taking on a challenge already being new to the hobby and
these pots will be a real challenge - though maybe you are starting
from seed? I don't recall your earlier posts.

This can be a very inexpensive hobby but it's also a very long term one
so you'll need lots of patience. I'm sure others will offer some advise
as well. Keep us in the loop on your progress.

- DanD
"

I paste this back because I think DanD sent me a direct email rather
than though the groups.google.com page. This is the first time I have
ever used this groups thing, maybe I'm overlooking something but I
think it'll be good if all the post could pass though here.. that way
when I reply it wouldn't seem like I'm talking to myself.

About the shallow pots DanD. I got them for germination only. I plan to
buy some deeper pots for my cuttings in the mean time I'm using these:

http://tekmanx.serveftp.com/~tekmanx/cuttings/

Ps. Don't forget to reply through the groups.google.com page:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.arts.bonsai/

Tekmanx
-Zone 25 (Florida/Bahamas)

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#20: Re: Bonsai Newbie

Posted on 2005-07-18 00:21:46 by Tekmanx

I can't make up my mind and I'm scared if I make the wrong decision my
plant will suffer! Question is, where is the best place for my
germinating seeds and perhaps for the cuttings. I took three pics of my
options:

1=2E Bathroom window 90=B0F or more, One window poor ventilation (Moist)
2=2E Room window - Air conditioned 70=B0, Somewhat dry atmosphere
3=2E Outside Balcony - 90=B0F or more, Good ventilation, Could get VERY
hot at times.

Picters listed in the above order:
http://tekmanx.serveftp.com/~tekmanx/Where/

About the cuttings, In my "Sunset Bonsai" book a suggestion was made to
wrap the entire pot with cuttings in a plastic baggie. It said that
moister encourages root growth.. but wouldn't that be like suffocating
the plant!?

Tekmanx
-Zone 25 (Florida/Bahamas)

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#21: Re: Bonsai Newbie

Posted on 2005-07-18 00:30:33 by Tekmanx

I can't make up my mind and I'm scared if I make the wrong decision my
plant will suffer! Question is, where is the best place for my
germinating seeds and perhaps for the cuttings. I took three pics of my
options:

1=2E Bathroom window 90=B0F or more, One window poor ventilation (Moist)
2=2E Room window - Air conditioned 70=B0, Somewhat dry atmosphere
3=2E Outside Balcony - 90=B0F or more, Good ventilation, Could get VERY
hot at times.

Pictures listed in the above order:
http://tekmanx.serveftp.com/~tekmanx/Where/

About the cuttings, In my "Sunset Bonsai" book a suggestion was made to
wrap the entire pot with cuttings in a plastic baggie. It said that
moister encourages root growth.. but wouldn't that be like suffocating
the plant!?

Tekmanx
-Zone 25 (Florida/Bahamas)

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