#1: culitvating moss on a large scale

Posted on 2005-07-19 08:47:28 by Martin

Hello all,

I was wondering if anyone had advice on mass culitvation and harvesting of
mosses for eventual use in bonsai pots. I've noticed moss seems to grow
great on concrete and brickwork in my back garden and wonder if this could
be reproduced on a larger, non-seasonal dependant scale? Perhaps even a
commercial scale? I'd love to be able to go into a bonsai nursery and
purchase a slab of moss any time of the year for my bonsai.

Tis mid Winter here in South Eastern Australia-
averaging 15-6 deg C (59-42 deg F),


Thanks - Martin

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#2: Re: culitvating moss on a large scale

Posted on 2005-07-19 13:11:40 by Dogma Discharge

"Martin" <ask@me.com> wrote in message news:42dca374@news.eftel.com...
> Hello all,
>
> I was wondering if anyone had advice on mass culitvation and harvesting of
> mosses for eventual use in bonsai pots. I've noticed moss seems to grow
> great on concrete and brickwork in my back garden and wonder if this could
> be reproduced on a larger, non-seasonal dependant scale? Perhaps even a
> commercial scale?

Sure you can, I'm not sure about the commercial scale though but you can try
the following:
Lets say you wanted to cover a piece of bark/driftwood or whatever surface
with moss. Take the moss sample and break it up into little pieces. Buy a
coconut from the grocery store and drain the milk out into a spray bottle.
Spray whatever surface lightly with the coconut milk and then garnish with
the little pieces of moss. Insert driftwood/whatever into a plastic blown up
packet and seal it. Place in a position where it receives UNdirect sunlight.

Coconut milk has natural plant growth hormones and soon enough your moss
will have covered whatever it is resting upon. All thats left is to pour
your favourite coco alchoholic beverage, sit back and relax and watch the
moss grow :)
--
Kind Regards
Cameron

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#3: Re: [IBC] culitvating moss on a large scale

Posted on 2005-07-19 15:12:47 by awbonsai

Buttermilk, which is more widely available than coconuts
in most parts of the world, is a good substitute for your moss
medium.
Alan Walker
http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org


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"Martin" <ask@me.com> wrote in message
news:42dca374@news.eftel.com...
Hello all,
I was wondering if anyone had advice on mass culitvation and
harvesting of mosses for eventual use in bonsai pots. I've
noticed moss seems to grow great on concrete and brickwork in my
back garden and wonder if this could be reproduced on a larger,
non-seasonal dependant scale? Perhaps even a commercial scale?

From: Dogma Discharge
Sure you can, I'm not sure about the commercial scale though but
you can try the following:
Let's say you wanted to cover a piece of bark/driftwood or
whatever surface with moss. Take the moss sample and break it up
into little pieces. Buy a coconut from the grocery store and
drain the milk out into a spray bottle. Spray whatever surface
lightly with the coconut milk and then garnish with the little
pieces of moss. Insert driftwood/whatever into a plastic blown up
packet and seal it. Place in a position where it receives
UNdirect sunlight.

Coconut milk has natural plant growth hormones and soon enough
your moss will have covered whatever it is resting upon. All
thats left is to pour
your favourite coco alchoholic beverage, sit back and relax and
watch the
moss grow :)
Kind Regards
Cameron

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#4: Re: [IBC] culitvating moss on a large scale

Posted on 2005-07-19 15:31:29 by jsinclair

If you are interested in growing moss, a good book is Moss Gardening,
by George Schenk (Timber Press, 1997 ISBN 0-88192-370-2).
Entertainingly written, and with lots of information about moss
cultivation in various situations.

Jay

> "Martin" <ask@me.com> wrote in message
> news:42dca374@news.eftel.com...
> Hello all,
> I was wondering if anyone had advice on mass culitvation and
> harvesting of mosses for eventual use in bonsai pots. I've
> noticed moss seems to grow great on concrete and brickwork in my
> back garden and wonder if this could be reproduced on a larger,
> non-seasonal dependant scale? Perhaps even a commercial scale?

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#5: Re: [IBC] culitvating moss on a large scale

Posted on 2005-07-19 15:35:49 by markhill

I've read that soaking willow shoots in a bucket of water results in a good
rooting medium.
Something in willow shoots that's a natural rooting hormone.
Does anyone know if it's possible to mash a bunch of new willow branches in
a big bucket to create your own rooting hormone ?

I ask this because I'm creating a new garden in my back yard here in
Pennsylvania with HUGE boulders as accents.
Unfortunately, the boulders don't have that aged look, and I was considering
covering them with a thin layer of dirt and trying to force moss to grow on
them. As usual, I'm looking for a shortcut.

PS ..... I have an unlimited source of willow trees on a creek bank.

Mark Hill - Harrisburg, PA - Zone 6


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Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 9:13 AM
To: BONSAI@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM
Subject: Re: [IBC] culitvating moss on a large scale

Buttermilk, which is more widely available than coconuts
in most parts of the world, is a good substitute for your moss
medium.
Alan Walker
http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org


-----Original Message-----
"Martin" <ask@me.com> wrote in message
news:42dca374@news.eftel.com...
Hello all,
I was wondering if anyone had advice on mass culitvation and
harvesting of mosses for eventual use in bonsai pots. I've
noticed moss seems to grow great on concrete and brickwork in my
back garden and wonder if this could be reproduced on a larger,
non-seasonal dependant scale? Perhaps even a commercial scale?

From: Dogma Discharge
Sure you can, I'm not sure about the commercial scale though but
you can try the following:
Let's say you wanted to cover a piece of bark/driftwood or
whatever surface with moss. Take the moss sample and break it up
into little pieces. Buy a coconut from the grocery store and
drain the milk out into a spray bottle. Spray whatever surface
lightly with the coconut milk and then garnish with the little
pieces of moss. Insert driftwood/whatever into a plastic blown up
packet and seal it. Place in a position where it receives
UNdirect sunlight.

Coconut milk has natural plant growth hormones and soon enough
your moss will have covered whatever it is resting upon. All
thats left is to pour
your favourite coco alchoholic beverage, sit back and relax and
watch the
moss grow :)
Kind Regards
Cameron

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#6: Re: [IBC] culitvating moss on a large scale

Posted on 2005-07-19 15:49:01 by Dogma Discharge

"Alan Walker" <awbonsai@BELLSOUTH.NET> wrote in message
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> Buttermilk, which is more widely available than coconuts
> in most parts of the world, is a good substitute for your moss
> medium.
> Alan Walker

Alan I can positively say that you are wrong! It has to be from a fresh
coconut. I've been doing this at home via Tissue Culture and it will only
work with *real* fresh coconut milk. Try it for yourself.
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Cameron

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#7: Re: culitvating moss on a large scale

Posted on 2005-07-19 16:52:53 by cmworth

I've read the same thing, Mark. I haven't seen any rigorous studies on
it, but that doesn't mean they're not out there. It rings true to me,
because my grandmother's generation occasionally would crush up and
dissolve an aspirin and water with the solution. The active
compound--acetysalicylic acid--occurs naturally in willow bark.

Since willows root easily in water at almost any diameter, you could
try getting a big fat willow cutting, suspending it in water, and then
using the water as a rooting solution. That way, you get a tree out of
it, too. I'd recommend the buttermilk for moss. The recipe I've always
heard was successful was to harvest some moss, knock off as much dirt
as possible, and put it and a cup of buttermilk in a blender. You can
use the resulting slurry to "paint" moss on wherever you need it.
Provided it has enough shade to keep from frying, you should have some
success. I've also heard you can use a can of beer instead of
buttermilk. If you try them, report back so we know the best way to do
this.

Mark Hill - President, EESiFlo Inc. wrote:
> I've read that soaking willow shoots in a bucket of water results in a good
> rooting medium.
> Something in willow shoots that's a natural rooting hormone.
> Does anyone know if it's possible to mash a bunch of new willow branches in
> a big bucket to create your own rooting hormone ?
>
> I ask this because I'm creating a new garden in my back yard here in
> Pennsylvania with HUGE boulders as accents.
> Unfortunately, the boulders don't have that aged look, and I was considering
> covering them with a thin layer of dirt and trying to force moss to grow on
> them. As usual, I'm looking for a shortcut.
>
> PS ..... I have an unlimited source of willow trees on a creek bank.
>
> Mark Hill - Harrisburg, PA - Zone 6
>

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#8: Re: [IBC] culitvating moss on a large scale

Posted on 2005-07-19 16:57:00 by kits

Martin,

Not all mosses are good candidates for bonsai lawns.
You need a short, close growing variety. I was taught
to harvest moss by my late sensei, Tosh Subruomaru.
You go out there with a trowel or spatula and scrape
up the surface of the moss, then you sweep this into a
dust pan, or whatever, and treat like moss seed.

It is better to not use moss on your trees, but good
to have some on the side you can use to dress up trees
for show. Trees with craggy bark that gets moss
growing up the trunk is difficult to correct. You
never really get all the moss off the trunk and still
keep all the knobby bits.

Kits

--- Martin <ask@ME.COM> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I was wondering if anyone had advice on mass
> culitvation and harvesting of
> mosses for eventual use in bonsai pots. I've noticed
> moss seems to grow
> great on concrete and brickwork in my back garden
> and wonder if this could
> be reproduced on a larger, non-seasonal dependant
> scale? Perhaps even a
> commercial scale? I'd love to be able to go into a
> bonsai nursery and
> purchase a slab of moss any time of the year for my
> bonsai.
>
> Tis mid Winter here in South Eastern Australia-
> averaging 15-6 deg C (59-42 deg F),
>
>
> Thanks - Martin
>
>
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#9: Re: culitvating moss on a large scale

Posted on 2005-07-19 17:39:18 by Tekmanx

About the fresh coconut water helping the plants to grow, can I use
that on any of my plants including cuttings and germinating seeds?
See, I live in the Bahamas.. I can get lots of fresh coconut water :D

Tekmanx
-Zone 25 (Florida/Bahamas)

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#10: Re: [IBC] culitvating moss on a large scale

Posted on 2005-07-19 17:55:05 by kevbailey111

But you aren't trying to root the moss so I'd guess that willow water
wouldn't do diddly. You need a nutirient that promotes the growth of moss,
especially its spores. Ideally a weakish fertiliser. This is why anything
from coconut milk to buttermilk to diluted manure WILL work. These have long
been used for ageing the stones in Victorian rock gardens (tho' I'm unsure
whether cocnut milk was used).

I'd say most important is selecting the right mosses, breaking it up and
then keeping it damp and protected. They are pretty much bomb-proof, so long
as you don't let them get dry or sunburned.

Kev Bailey

N Wales, UK, Zone 9

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#11: Re: [IBC] culitvating moss on a large scale

Posted on 2005-07-19 18:03:52 by jklewis

Mark Hill - President, EESiFlo Inc. wrote:
> I've read that soaking willow shoots in a bucket of water results in a good
> rooting medium.
> Something in willow shoots that's a natural rooting hormone.
> Does anyone know if it's possible to mash a bunch of new willow branches in
> a big bucket to create your own rooting hormone ?
>
> I ask this because I'm creating a new garden in my back yard here in
> Pennsylvania with HUGE boulders as accents.
> Unfortunately, the boulders don't have that aged look, and I was considering
> covering them with a thin layer of dirt and trying to force moss to grow on
> them. As usual, I'm looking for a shortcut.
>
> PS ..... I have an unlimited source of willow trees on a creek bank.
>

It's true about the willow bark, but since moss doesn't have
roots . . . . :-)

Anyway, just dig up a couple of handsfull of moss from the
woods somewhere, smear and mash it over the tops of the
rocks, then keep the rocks moist and fairly shady and you
will have moss.

Jim Lewis - jklewis@nettally.com - Tallahassee, FL - Where
everything that doesn't move is mossy -- and even some
moving objects (tortoises).

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#12: Re: [IBC] culitvating moss on a large scale

Posted on 2005-07-19 18:05:29 by jklewis

Dogma Discharge wrote:
> "Alan Walker" <awbonsai@BELLSOUTH.NET> wrote in message
> news:000401c58c63$8b503e70$6101a8c0@Alan...
>
>>Buttermilk, which is more widely available than coconuts
>>in most parts of the world, is a good substitute for your moss
>>medium.
>>Alan Walker
>
>
> Alan I can positively say that you are wrong! It has to be from a fresh
> coconut. I've been doing this at home via Tissue Culture and it will only
> work with *real* fresh coconut milk. Try it for yourself.


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use it with love and respect - Aldo Leopold - A Sand County
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#13: Re: [IBC] culitvating moss on a large scale

Posted on 2005-07-19 18:12:03 by jklewis

Tekmanx wrote:
> About the fresh coconut water helping the plants to grow, can I use
> that on any of my plants including cuttings and germinating seeds?
> See, I live in the Bahamas.. I can get lots of fresh coconut water :D
>
> Tekmanx
> -Zone 25 (Florida/Bahamas)
>

Only if you want ants.

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#14: Re: culitvating moss on a large scale

Posted on 2005-07-19 18:56:17 by nina

Let's separate the apples from the oranges here, folks. Buttermilk is
used for moss culture because it lowers the pH, which some but not all
mosses like. No special plant hormones are needed to get moss to grow;
moss likes to grow. You provide the conditions it needs if you supply
constant moisture and a little fertilizer. The magic ingredient in
this equation is: water.

Nina.

Jim Lewis wrote:
> A gentle reminder: There often is more than one way to skin
> a cat. (Unless the "Dogma" is a hint? :-)

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Posted on 2005-07-19 20:25:21 by Tekmanx

Oh ...sounds like a bad idea.

Tekmanx
- Zone 25 (Florida/Bahamas)

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#16: Re: [IBC] culitvating moss on a large scale

Posted on 2005-07-19 22:47:06 by markhill

As usual, you've taught me something new today Jim.
I had no idea moss didn't have roots.
Guess I should do some research.
I've already ordered the Moss Gardening book recommended by Jay Sinclair.

I've seen moss growing on sunny rocks here in central PA.
I'm assuming these are some local variety able to withstand dry spells and
the occasional very hot spell.
Maybe these are the ones I should be looking for.
Sticking them in a blender with a glass of buttermilk or coconut milk seems
like a do-able solution.
Certainly better than wasting a beer !

Mark

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Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 12:01 PM
To: Mark Hill - President, EESiFlo Inc.
Cc: BONSAI@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM
Subject: Re: [IBC] culitvating moss on a large scale

Mark Hill - President, EESiFlo Inc. wrote:
> I've read that soaking willow shoots in a bucket of water results in a
good
> rooting medium.
> Something in willow shoots that's a natural rooting hormone.
> Does anyone know if it's possible to mash a bunch of new willow branches
in
> a big bucket to create your own rooting hormone ?
>
> I ask this because I'm creating a new garden in my back yard here in
> Pennsylvania with HUGE boulders as accents.
> Unfortunately, the boulders don't have that aged look, and I was
considering
> covering them with a thin layer of dirt and trying to force moss to grow
on
> them. As usual, I'm looking for a shortcut.
>
> PS ..... I have an unlimited source of willow trees on a creek bank.
>

It's true about the willow bark, but since moss doesn't have
roots . . . . :-)

Anyway, just dig up a couple of handsfull of moss from the
woods somewhere, smear and mash it over the tops of the
rocks, then keep the rocks moist and fairly shady and you
will have moss.

Jim Lewis - jklewis@nettally.com - Tallahassee, FL - Where
everything that doesn't move is mossy -- and even some
moving objects (tortoises).

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#17: Re: [IBC] culitvating moss on a large scale

Posted on 2005-07-20 02:53:32 by haberm

<< I had no idea moss had no roots>>

Well, yes & no. The worst moss for bonsai is club moss, recognized by by
litle red club-like pellets rising from its needle-like base. This moss has
roots and spreads rapidly across the surface by tiny rhizomes. If you see
it growing in any of your pots, get rid of it.
In fact, unless you want moss as a decorative feature for show purposes, get
rid of all kinds growing in your pots, except for saikei and forest
plantings.
Marty
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To: <BONSAI@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM>
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [IBC] culitvating moss on a large scale


> As usual, you've taught me something new today Jim.
> I had no idea moss didn't have roots.
> Guess I should do some research.
> I've already ordered the Moss Gardening book recommended by Jay Sinclair.
>
> I've seen moss growing on sunny rocks here in central PA.
> I'm assuming these are some local variety able to withstand dry spells and
> the occasional very hot spell.
> Maybe these are the ones I should be looking for.
> Sticking them in a blender with a glass of buttermilk or coconut milk
> seems
> like a do-able solution.
> Certainly better than wasting a beer !
>
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Lewis [mailto:jklewis@nettally.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 12:01 PM
> To: Mark Hill - President, EESiFlo Inc.
> Cc: BONSAI@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM
> Subject: Re: [IBC] culitvating moss on a large scale
>
> Mark Hill - President, EESiFlo Inc. wrote:
>> I've read that soaking willow shoots in a bucket of water results in a
> good
>> rooting medium.
>> Something in willow shoots that's a natural rooting hormone.
>> Does anyone know if it's possible to mash a bunch of new willow branches
> in
>> a big bucket to create your own rooting hormone ?
>>
>> I ask this because I'm creating a new garden in my back yard here in
>> Pennsylvania with HUGE boulders as accents.
>> Unfortunately, the boulders don't have that aged look, and I was
> considering
>> covering them with a thin layer of dirt and trying to force moss to grow
> on
>> them. As usual, I'm looking for a shortcut.
>>
>> PS ..... I have an unlimited source of willow trees on a creek bank.
>>
>
> It's true about the willow bark, but since moss doesn't have
> roots . . . . :-)
>
> Anyway, just dig up a couple of handsfull of moss from the
> woods somewhere, smear and mash it over the tops of the
> rocks, then keep the rocks moist and fairly shady and you
> will have moss.
>
> Jim Lewis - jklewis@nettally.com - Tallahassee, FL - Where
> everything that doesn't move is mossy -- and even some
> moving objects (tortoises).
>
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#18: Re: [IBC] culitvating moss on a large scale

Posted on 2005-07-20 07:39:03 by Tiziano

Mark Hill - President, EESiFlo Inc. wrote:


Moss needs acidity umidity north position and not direct
sun ..
it dries out and return to life like phenix ..
moss spores are eveyrwhere as carried by the wind

in Japan are different varieties ( see google) for
different visual effects on bonsais and is cultivated
also in fields ...spores are on sale

> As usual, you've taught me something new today Jim.
> I had no idea moss didn't have roots.
> Guess I should do some research.
> I've already ordered the Moss Gardening book recommended by Jay Sinclair.

.
> Maybe these are the ones I should be looking for.
> Sticking them in a blender with a glass of buttermilk or coconut milk seems
> like a do-able solution.
> Certainly better than wasting a beer !
yes scratch some than blend it mix with very soft peat
and sprinkle where you need it .. will take few weeks
but will start growing

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#19: Re: [IBC] culitvating moss on a large scale

Posted on 2005-07-20 08:26:29 by anilkaushik

While spraying the seedlings regularly to provide moisture, on day I sprayed
a very weak solution of ammonium sulfate as the first dose of fertilizer.
The next day I found the entire top soil turning greenish. And in another
two three days it had moss all over.

In another case once I forgot to take out a Bonsai from a water filled tray.
Five days latter when I realized this lapse, I was surprised to see a thick
blanket of moss all over the surface.

Regards

Anil Kaushik
Bonsai Club (India)
Chandigarh "The City Beautiful"


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Nina

Let's separate the apples from the oranges here, folks. Buttermilk is
used for moss culture because it lowers the pH, which some but not all
mosses like. No special plant hormones are needed to get moss to grow;
moss likes to grow. You provide the conditions it needs if you supply
constant moisture and a little fertilizer. The magic ingredient in
this equation is: water.

Nina.

Jim Lewis wrote:
> A gentle reminder: There often is more than one way to skin
> a cat. (Unless the "Dogma" is a hint? :-)

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#20: Re: [IBC] culitvating moss on a large scale

Posted on 2005-07-20 11:10:14 by Dogma Discharge

"Jim Lewis" <jklewis@NETTALLY.COM> wrote in message
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> A gentle reminder: There often is more than one way to skin
> a cat. (Unless the "Dogma" is a hint? :-)
>

Quite right Jim, there sure are many ways to skin a cat. I have indeed tried
the 'milk in the can' version but sadly I lost ALL my cultures, using the
fresh stuff yields much better results. IMHO :)

Have any of you ever tried using Java Moss? Its an aquatic moss but does
quite well emersed in semi humid conditions
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Kind Regards
Cameron

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#21: Re: [IBC] culitvating moss on a large scale

Posted on 2005-07-20 13:49:36 by Tiziano

Anil Kaushik wrote:


> In another case once I forgot to take out a Bonsai from a water filled tray.
> Five days latter when I realized this lapse, I was surprised to see a thick
> blanket of moss all over the surface.
>

you must live in a humid country it does not work so
fast here

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#22: Re: [IBC] culitvating moss on a large scale

Posted on 2005-07-20 13:55:39 by jklewis

Marty Haber wrote:
> << I had no idea moss had no roots>>
>
> Well, yes & no. The worst moss for bonsai is club moss, recognized by
> by litle red club-like pellets rising from its needle-like base. This
> moss has roots and spreads rapidly across the surface by tiny rhizomes.
> If you see it growing in any of your pots, get rid of it.
> In fact, unless you want moss as a decorative feature for show purposes,
> get rid of all kinds growing in your pots, except for saikei and forest
> plantings.
> Marty

Weeeelllll, but "club moss" isn't a "moss." The old common
name syndrome strikes again.

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#23: Re: [IBC] culitvating moss on a large scale

Posted on 2005-07-20 16:40:33 by Martin

Thanks to all for the great response.
I've tried buttermilk on some boulders and an old tree stump in my garden
but it kept dissapearing (the milk) by the afternoon every time I applied
it. After two weeks of trying I caught the culprit - my rather chunky and
content looking cat sitting on a boulder happily licking away at the
buttermilk. Should I get her colestrerol checked?

Thanks again to all for the great advice.

"Dogma Discharge" <s@c.c.c> wrote in message
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> "Jim Lewis" <jklewis@NETTALLY.COM> wrote in message
> news:42DD242F.7060106@nettally.com...
>
> > A gentle reminder: There often is more than one way to skin
> > a cat. (Unless the "Dogma" is a hint? :-)
> >
>
> Quite right Jim, there sure are many ways to skin a cat. I have indeed
tried
> the 'milk in the can' version but sadly I lost ALL my cultures, using the
> fresh stuff yields much better results. IMHO :)
>
> Have any of you ever tried using Java Moss? Its an aquatic moss but does
> quite well emersed in semi humid conditions
> --
> Kind Regards
> Cameron
>
>

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#24: Re: culitvating moss on a large scale

Posted on 2005-07-20 21:46:53 by nina

Martin said:

>After two weeks of trying I caught the culprit - my >rather chunky and content looking cat sitting on a >boulder happily licking away at the
>buttermilk.

solution: There's more than one way to skin a bad cat!

Let's review our plant anatomy:

Bryophytes (mosses and liverworts) have no vascular system, no leaves,
and no roots. The leafy green part is haploid (one copy of each
chromosome), but the hairlike stalks with knobs on top are diploid (2
copies of each chromosomes. We humans, in case you don't know, are
diploid). They reproduce by spores.

Clubmosses have a vascular system (hence a true stem), and true roots,
but no true leaves. The plant we notice is the diploid; there's a tiny
free-living haploid stage. They reproduce by spores.

Ferns have true stems, true roots and true leaves (a true leaf has
"veins"). The part we notice is the diploid stage; there's a small
haploid stage that looks like some sort of filmy alga. [our greenhouse
at work is infested with ferns, so I see the haploid stage if I look]
Reproduction: spores.

[You're bored. I know. But now it becomes bonsai-related]

Gymnosperms are pines, ginkgos, larch, spruce, etc. They are defined
by having seeds, not spores. What's a seed? A seed is the haploid
stage now completely tiny and packaged so it never has to live on its
own.

Angiosperms, finally, are flowering plants, and that includes all trees
that aren't gymnosperms.

So show a little respect for mosses, ferns and clubmosses! They are
very cool. And very different.

Nina.

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#25: Re: [IBC] culitvating moss on a large scale

Posted on 2005-07-27 15:06:04 by jklewis

Nina wrote:

> Let's review our plant anatomy:
>
> Bryophytes (mosses and liverworts) have no vascular system, no leaves,
> and no roots. The leafy green part is haploid (one copy of each
> chromosome), but the hairlike stalks with knobs on top are diploid (2
> copies of each chromosomes. We humans, in case you don't know, are
> diploid). They reproduce by spores.
>
> Clubmosses have a vascular system (hence a true stem), and true roots,
> but no true leaves. The plant we notice is the diploid; there's a tiny
> free-living haploid stage. They reproduce by spores.
>
> Ferns have true stems, true roots and true leaves (a true leaf has
> "veins"). The part we notice is the diploid stage; there's a small
> haploid stage that looks like some sort of filmy alga. [our greenhouse
> at work is infested with ferns, so I see the haploid stage if I look]
> Reproduction: spores.
>
> [You're bored. I know. But now it becomes bonsai-related]
>
> Gymnosperms are pines, ginkgos, larch, spruce, etc. They are defined
> by having seeds, not spores. What's a seed? A seed is the haploid
> stage now completely tiny and packaged so it never has to live on its
> own.
>
> Angiosperms, finally, are flowering plants, and that includes all trees
> that aren't gymnosperms.
>
> So show a little respect for mosses, ferns and clubmosses! They are
> very cool. And very different.
>
> Nina.

She's nice to have around, isn't she? :-)

Save her message. It could be useful. In fact, it IS useful.

I have a whole folder devoted to "Nina's botany and
botany-related information" and I find myself referring to
it often as I try to respond to messages from folks who
apparently never took even HS basic biology.

Jim Lewis - jklewis@nettally.com - Tallahassee, FL - What DO
kids take in High School these days? Tattoos 101?;
"Wholistic" Naval Piercing? How to keep my pants from
falling off 102?

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#26: Re: culitvating moss on a large scale

Posted on 2005-07-27 16:18:32 by nina

Well, Jim, it gives me a chance to use the facts I learned in college
Paleobotany, which, I have to admit, almost *never* come in handy. But
I took the course from Charles Beck, one of the leading figures in
understanding the evolution of the seed, and he was a wonderful
teacher. He held the course at 8 am to discourage casual students from
taking it.

I double-checked my facts (college was a long time ago!) in a very good
book called "Green Plants: their origin and diversity" by Peter R. Bell
(Cambridge University Press), in case any of you ever have a pressing
need to know the life cycle of Isoetes.

Nina. The pokeweed in my backyard is now 15 feet tall: HELP ME!

Jim Lewis wrote:
>> Save her message. It could be useful. In fact, it IS useful.
>

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#27: Re: [IBC] culitvating moss on a large scale

Posted on 2005-07-27 20:20:06 by jklewis

Nina wrote:
> Well, Jim, it gives me a chance to use the facts I learned in college

Isn't it fun when that happens? :-)

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