#1: [IBC] educate me !!
Posted on 2005-07-30 19:46:59 by markhill
Hi all.
Downloaded the fertilizer spreadsheet and poured over it with interest.
I fully understand this is not a complete list of fertilizer manufacturers,
and that Dyna-Gro isn't likely to list manufacturers or products that
exceed their own specs.
However, the data it contains seems to suggest that Dyna-Gro products are
better than others because (these are my uneducated assumptions) ......
The Nitrogen included in their products does not come from Urea.
As an uneducated fertilizer user I'm assuming this is a good thing, however,
I have no idea why.
All the elements they list from Phosphorus to Zinc are at measurable
amounts, where others listed are not as complete.
I understand the importance of trace elements. I watched a JPN slowly turn
yellow when I used a fert that did not include them, then back to green when
I used a fert that did. They're obviously important, but do plants really
need obscure amounts of Boron, Chlorine, Cobalt and Moly ?
Are there any case studies that show these elements are actually beneficial
?
Thanks to my more educated friends.
Mark Hill - Harrisburg PA (currently working in Trinidad CO)
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#2: Re: [IBC] educate me !!
Posted on 2005-07-30 20:48:45 by GOPHERHILL
In a message dated 7/30/2005 1:47:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
MarkHill@EESIFLO.US writes:
> The Nitrogen included in their products does not come from Urea.
Urea is produced commercially by the dehydration of ammonium carbamate
(NH2COONH4) at elevated temperature and pressure. Ammonium carbamate is obtained by
direct reaction of ammonia with carbon dioxide. These reactions are normally
carried out simultaneously in a high pressure reactor.
http://www.extension.umn.edu/distribution/cropsystems/DC0636 .html
> All the elements they list from Phosphorus to Zinc are at measurable
> amounts, where others listed are not as complete.
> I understand the importance of trace elements. I watched a JPN slowly turn
> yellow when I used a fert that did not include them, then back to green when
> I used a fert that did. They're obviously important, but do plants really
> need obscure amounts of Boron, Chlorine, Cobalt and Moly ?
http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/MG091
From my alma mater, THE University of Florida.
Hail the Orange and Blue Go Gators
Billy on the Florida Space Coast
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#3: Re: [IBC] educate me !!
Posted on 2005-07-30 21:00:14 by jklewis
Mark Hill - President, EESiFlo Inc. wrote:
> All the elements they list from Phosphorus to Zinc are at measurable
> amounts, where others listed are not as complete.
That's (partly, at least) because trace elements are needed
in such small amounts that the units of measurement are
meaningless to most people. The "major" minor elements must
be listed by % on the Florida fertilizer label.
> I understand the importance of trace elements. I watched a JPN slowly turn
> yellow when I used a fert that did not include them, then back to green when
> I used a fert that did. They're obviously important, but do plants really
> need obscure amounts of Boron, Chlorine, Cobalt and Moly ?
Yes.
>
> Are there any case studies that show these elements are actually beneficial
> ?
>
Yah, but rather than that . . .
EVERYONE: Read this: http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/MG090
(Plant Nutrients and Fertilizers for the Non-farmer)
This is "Fertilizers 101" for the Florida Master Gardener
program and is the best simplified explanation I've yet
found on the subject.
Everyone who grows should nearly memorize this. At the very
least download the PDF file and print it out for your
notebooks.
Note the section on fertilizer advertising claims.
And also note the section on micronutrients. It is
referring to plants grown in the ground, but it also will
apply to plants in bonsai soil. (In a nutshell, the
micronutrients ARE important, but most fertilizers contain
too little of them. This is why I purchase a bottle of
"General Purpose Minor Element Spray"* and add 20cc to every
bottle of fish and seaweed emulsion I purchase. It contains
chelated Mg, Fe, Mn, Zn, Cu, and S. I rely on the horse
manure compost I add to my soil mix for the "minor" minor
elements.)
If you want more information on fertilizers, do a search for
"fertilizer" or "trace elements" or "micronutrients" at
http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/
And, the *edis* site is the best horticultural education you
can find outside of a college major in it. :-) So, look
through it and make your bonsai better (though I doubt you
will find anything on "bonsai."
* I do NOT spray it. It is sold as a "foliar spray" but
since foliar sprays do little or no good that's merely
another marketing ploy to sell something. Mix it in with
your fertilizer if you want to efficiently deliver it to
your plant.
Jim Lewis - jklewis@nettally.com - This economy is a wholly
owned subsidiary of the environment. - Gaylord Nelson
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#4: Re: [IBC] educate me
Posted on 2005-07-30 21:05:14 by jklewis
Note: Billy and I recommended 2 different pubs from the
same source (HIS university) . . . so read 'em both. :-)
Jim Lewis - jklewis@nettally.com - Tallahassee, FL - When I
went to San Jose State College, no one had ever heard of it.
Have they now? Nope. It's now a *University* Ta da!. ;-)
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#5: Re: [IBC] educate me
Posted on 2005-07-30 23:08:11 by GOPHERHILL
In a message dated 7/30/2005 3:05:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jklewis@NETTALLY.COM writes:
> Note: Billy and I recommended 2 different pubs from the
> same source (HIS university) . . . so read 'em both. :-)
BTW, wishing to avoid false advertising, my degrees from UF and UCF are in
Social Studies Education (teaching high school, history, civics, etc.) not in
Agriculture.
Billy on the Florida Space Coast
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