#1: [IBC] Trident Maple
Posted on 2005-08-26 09:13:15 by dkalderis
Hello friends,
A few weeks ago I had sent a question regarding my
Chinese Elm seedling not branching. After I cut the
top off, branches appeared everywhere, so that's set.
Now I have the same question regarding the one and
only Trident Maple seedling I have (which I obviously
try hard to take care of !!).
It keeps getting taller and taller (now it is about
7-8 inches tall) but no branches have formed yet.
Shall I cut the top off again (just after a pair of
leaves ), as I did with the Chinese Elm ?
many thanks in advance,
Dimitris
ps. maples are rare in Greece and even more difficult
to maintain if you get one, so I have to do my best
not to kill this seedling !!
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#2: Re: [IBC] Trident Maple
Posted on 2005-08-26 14:36:57 by jklewis
Dimitrios Kalderis wrote:
> Hello friends,
> Now I have the same question regarding the one and
> only Trident Maple seedling I have (which I obviously
> try hard to take care of !!).
> It keeps getting taller and taller (now it is about
> 7-8 inches tall) but no branches have formed yet.
> Shall I cut the top off again (just after a pair of
> leaves ), as I did with the Chinese Elm ?
>
> many thanks in advance,
Yes. But do it in the spring.
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owned subsidiary of the environment. - Gaylord Nelson
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#3: Re: [IBC] Trident Maple
Posted on 2005-08-26 15:08:53 by LisatheSequel
Jim Lewis wrote:
> Dimitrios Kalderis wrote:
>
>> Hello friends,
>
>
>> Now I have the same question regarding the one and
>> only Trident Maple seedling I have (which I obviously
>> try hard to take care of !!).
>> It keeps getting taller and taller (now it is about
>> 7-8 inches tall) but no branches have formed yet.
>> Shall I cut the top off again (just after a pair of
>> leaves ), as I did with the Chinese Elm ?
>>
>> many thanks in advance,
>
>
>
> Yes. But do it in the spring.
Any more information about the specifics of this kind of cut? I tried
it once and the tree died. I've surely done it incorrectly, cut too
much. The tree was perfectly healthy before.
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#4: Re: [IBC] Trident Maple
Posted on 2005-08-26 16:24:30 by jklewis
LisatheSequel wrote:
> Jim Lewis wrote:
>
>>Dimitrios Kalderis wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hello friends,
>>
>>
>>>Now I have the same question regarding the one and
>>>only Trident Maple seedling I have (which I obviously
>>>try hard to take care of !!).
>>>It keeps getting taller and taller (now it is about
>>>7-8 inches tall) but no branches have formed yet.
>>>Shall I cut the top off again (just after a pair of
>>>leaves ), as I did with the Chinese Elm ?
>>>
>>>many thanks in advance,
>>
>>
>>
>>Yes. But do it in the spring.
>
>
>
> Any more information about the specifics of this kind of cut? I tried
> it once and the tree died. I've surely done it incorrectly, cut too
> much. The tree was perfectly healthy before.
I'd bet you over watered. Stumps without leaves need very
little water. It is normal for people to think that "if I
water it will grow faster." Watering with a solution of
high N fertilizer ONLY when the soil feels dry should result
in new sprouts if the chop was done in early spring (or late
winter).
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#5: Re: [IBC] Trident Maple
Posted on 2005-08-26 16:26:06 by davismichaelk
Ti kanis Dimitiris? I am a Greek-American.
Depending on your design objective (large or small tree), you may want to wait a few seasons before cutting your trident to let the trunk thicken. If you want the seedling to thicken first, best to plant it in the ground or a very large container. When you cut the trunk, cut it well above the buds that you want to develop as the first branch and new leader. This assures that there is adequate sap flow to the buds and that the tree does not die back to a point below the buds. Once the new branch and leader develop you can then cut back and clean-up the stump. As Jim said, best to do any of this in early spring, just as the buds are starting to swell.
Hope that helps,
Mike
Massachusetts, USA
-------------- Original message --------------
> Hello friends,
>
> A few weeks ago I had sent a question regarding my
> Chinese Elm seedling not branching. After I cut the
> top off, branches appeared everywhere, so that's set.
>
> Now I have the same question regarding the one and
> only Trident Maple seedling I have (which I obviously
> try hard to take care of !!).
> It keeps getting taller and taller (now it is about
> 7-8 inches tall) but no branches have formed yet.
> Shall I cut the top off again (just after a pair of
> leaves ), as I did with the Chinese Elm ?
>
> many thanks in advance,
> Dimitris
>
>
> ps. maples are rare in Greece and even more difficult
> to maintain if you get one, so I have to do my best
> not to kill this seedling !!
>
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#6: Re: [IBC] Trident Maple
Posted on 2005-08-27 04:07:03 by martyweiser
Or if you are looking to develop a small bonsai pinching the tip out now
will result in side branches that will thicken the trunk and develop more
taper. If there are a couple of more months of good growing left (I imagine
this is the case in all but the highest altitudes of Greece) then pinching
the tip now should result in the formation of some good side branches that
could even be wired down a little at the base so they are a bit more
horizontal. Next spring they can either be cut back or allowed to grow wild
to thicken the trunk - cutting one back of each alternate pair with the plan
to cut the wild one off in a year or two will allow you to get started on
development of the tree.
The problem with not pinching back fairly early is that you end up with a
lower trunk with minimal taper. Better to get some side branching and/or
movement early. Create a bush by pinching out the top, let it grow wild for
a year or two, cut off all but the most interesting trunk line, repeat.
Marty
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Subject: Re: [IBC] Trident Maple
Ti kanis Dimitiris? I am a Greek-American.
Depending on your design objective (large or small tree), you may want to
wait a few seasons before cutting your trident to let the trunk thicken. If
you want the seedling to thicken first, best to plant it in the ground or a
very large container. When you cut the trunk, cut it well above the buds
that you want to develop as the first branch and new leader. This assures
that there is adequate sap flow to the buds and that the tree does not die
back to a point below the buds. Once the new branch and leader develop you
can then cut back and clean-up the stump. As Jim said, best to do any of
this in early spring, just as the buds are starting to swell.
Hope that helps,
Mike
Massachusetts, USA
-------------- Original message --------------
> Hello friends,
>
> A few weeks ago I had sent a question regarding my
> Chinese Elm seedling not branching. After I cut the
> top off, branches appeared everywhere, so that's set.
>
> Now I have the same question regarding the one and
> only Trident Maple seedling I have (which I obviously
> try hard to take care of !!).
> It keeps getting taller and taller (now it is about
> 7-8 inches tall) but no branches have formed yet.
> Shall I cut the top off again (just after a pair of
> leaves ), as I did with the Chinese Elm ?
>
> many thanks in advance,
> Dimitris
>
>
> ps. maples are rare in Greece and even more difficult
> to maintain if you get one, so I have to do my best
> not to kill this seedling !!
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> http://mail.yahoo.com
>
>
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#7: Re: [IBC] Trident Maple
Posted on 2005-08-28 19:17:59 by Tiziano
Dimitrios Kalderis wrote:
leave it as it is until next spring and than
you will see
es appeared everywhere, so that's set.
>
> Now I have the same question regarding the one and
> only Trident Maple seedling I have (which I obviously
> try hard to take care of !!).
> It keeps getting taller and taller (now it is about
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#8: Re: [IBC] Trident Maple
Posted on 2005-08-28 19:20:56 by Tiziano
LisatheSequel wrote:
>
> Any more information about the specifics of this kind of cut? I tried
> it once and the tree died. I've surely done it incorrectly, cut too
> much. The tree was perfectly healthy before.
it is a very strong tree and have easily
offsprings eveywhere your probably had a problem
I never had any inection on the cuts or whtever
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#9: Re: [IBC] Trident Maple
Posted on 2005-09-07 23:48:34 by GOPHERHILL
In a message dated 9/7/2005 1:47:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,
tekmanx@GMAIL.COM writes:
Anyone here tried to grow a trident maple in zone 10? I'm In South
Florida/Bahamas and there are soo many Bonsai plants that I would like
to grow that supposedly do not grow in my region. I mean of course
there are trees that grow only in cold regions...but can I bend the
rules and get something to grow in my region that's not exactly suppose
to?
They will suffer, decline and die. I have had some Maples in pots for 20
years. They have never been happy and they will never make decent bonsai.
There are soo many trees we can grow well, why frustrate yourself and the
trees.
"Don't try to teach a pig to sing. It will only frustrate you and make the
pig mad."
I am about 50 miles north of the Zone 9 - 10 border.
Billy on the Florida Space Coast
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#10: Re: Trident Maple
Posted on 2005-09-08 01:48:43 by Tekmanx
Thanks for the info.
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