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#1: Francis Dubreuil- availability & hardiness

Posted on 2006-05-27 22:55:18 by Jim Elbrecht

Let me start by admitting I'm no rose gardener. [Herbs and veggies are
my vice]

But my mom's maiden name is Dubreuil & I ran across the Francis
Dubreuil rose while doing some genealogy & it looks like it would make
a nice gift for her 80th birthday coming up.

After googling through a dozen of the larger rose nurseries, I found
<a href="http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?i=A2835&amp;tab=16" target="_blank">http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?i=A2835&amp;tab=16</a> and started
through ther suppliers listed there.

I'm in NY, near Schenectady- zone 5-6, so I was hoping to find a
northern nursery. All the Oregon nurseries were sold out or no
longer shipping. I tried several CA nurseries that were no longer
shipping.

Finally I found Ashdown - that still has some. But they say it is
only hardy to zone 7.
<a href="http://www.ashdownroses.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&amp;ProdID=931" target="_blank"> http://www.ashdownroses.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&am p;ProdID=931</a>

The help-me-find main page says zones 4-9.
<a href="http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?i=A2835&amp;tab=1" target="_blank">http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?i=A2835&amp;tab=1</a>

Is Ashdown being conservative, or will there be 'tender' strains of
the same variety?

Thanks,
Jim
[if anyone knows of a source within a few hours drive of Albany, NY,
I'd love to check it out]

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#2: Re: Francis Dubreuil- availability & hardiness

Posted on 2006-05-29 00:41:15 by Gail Futoran

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&gt; Let me start by admitting I'm no rose gardener. [Herbs and veggies are
&gt; my vice]
&gt;
&gt; But my mom's maiden name is Dubreuil &amp; I ran across the Francis
&gt; Dubreuil rose while doing some genealogy &amp; it looks like it would make
&gt; a nice gift for her 80th birthday coming up.
&gt;
&gt; After googling through a dozen of the larger rose nurseries, I found
&gt; <a href="http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?i=A2835&amp;tab=16" target="_blank">http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?i=A2835&amp;tab=16</a> and started
&gt; through ther suppliers listed there.
&gt;
&gt; I'm in NY, near Schenectady- zone 5-6, so I was hoping to find a
&gt; northern nursery. All the Oregon nurseries were sold out or no
&gt; longer shipping. I tried several CA nurseries that were no longer
&gt; shipping.
&gt;
&gt; Finally I found Ashdown - that still has some. But they say it is
&gt; only hardy to zone 7.
&gt; <a href="http://www.ashdownroses.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&amp;ProdID=931" target="_blank"> http://www.ashdownroses.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&am p;ProdID=931</a>
&gt;
&gt; The help-me-find main page says zones 4-9.
&gt; <a href="http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?i=A2835&amp;tab=1" target="_blank">http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?i=A2835&amp;tab=1</a>
&gt;
&gt; Is Ashdown being conservative, or will there be 'tender' strains of
&gt; the same variety?
&gt;
&gt; Thanks,
&gt; Jim
&gt; [if anyone knows of a source within a few hours drive of Albany, NY,
&gt; I'd love to check it out]

Antique Rose Emporium
<a href="http://www.antiqueroseemporium.com/rose-457.html" target="_blank">http://www.antiqueroseemporium.com/rose-457.html</a>
lists Francis Dubreuil as being best grown
in zones 7-9.

If you really want to give this rose as a gift,
since it's a relatively small rose, why not put
it in a pot? That way you can move it inside
(garage or shed) during the winter months.

Gail
near San Antonio TX Zone 8

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#3: Re: Francis Dubreuil- availability & hardiness

Posted on 2006-05-30 07:52:50 by elsie

Hi Jim, in my copy of Botanica's Pocket Roses it gives a zone hardiness
of 4 - 9, the same as the help-me-find page. It is confusing though,
because nurseries would have a better idea of how they grow in local
conditions one would think and they're not going to turn away a sale
either i wouldn't imagine., but then again why would they put the lower
zones in the book and website.To confuse us perhaps#?! Are there any
local garden clubs you could contact - they are an absolute wealth of
knowledge on local conditions and what will/won't grow there. Anyway
here are a few snippets from the book that may help to your success
with it. (I'd still buy it) &quot;this handsome rose needs part shade to
prevent its delicate, blood red petals from scorching&quot; (from this info
I'd make sure it isn't in the hot afternoon sun, however roses need at
least 6 hours sun, so maybe put it in a spot that gets morning sun til
about 1pm and then is shaded from the hot afternoon sun). &quot;the 3 ft
lanky shrub is an ideal container plant, though it does have some
prickles&quot; and &quot;it should be placed where it's lovely scent can be
enjoyed during its long blooming period&quot; So maybe putting it in a tub,
as Gail has suggested is the answer, that way you can move it out of
the more severe winter weather; when it's flowering you can move it to
somewhere that you can enjoy it's scent, and out of the hot afternoon
sun in summer.Sounds like a plan! Good luck and I'm sure your mother
will just love it! Regards Elsie

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#4: Re: Francis Dubreuil- availability & hardiness

Posted on 2006-06-01 19:26:50 by Jim Elbrecht

Thanks Gail &amp; Elsie.

I think I will go with it as a potted plant. All the notes say it
doesn't mind- so it is probably a good idea in this part of the world.

[My delay cost me a few bucks. Ashdown was out of stock by the time I
got there. I bought the last one from Roses Unlimited.]

Jim

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#5: Re: Francis Dubreuil- availability & hardiness

Posted on 2006-06-01 21:58:05 by Gail Futoran

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&gt;
&gt; Thanks Gail &amp; Elsie.
&gt;
&gt; I think I will go with it as a potted plant. All the notes say it
&gt; doesn't mind- so it is probably a good idea in this part of the world.
&gt;
&gt; [My delay cost me a few bucks. Ashdown was out of stock by the time I
&gt; got there. I bought the last one from Roses Unlimited.]
&gt;
&gt; Jim

I hope that works out for you. Potted
plants can take more care, especially
watering. I use the moist beads (various
manufacturers) and that seems to help hold
onto water.

Gail
near San Antonio TX Zone 8

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