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#1: AOS/"Orchids" question

Posted on 2006-07-04 17:33:43 by unknown

so any of you who still get "orchids" mag from the AOS--has there been
any mention of a change in membership numbers since they jacked up the
dues? i'm one of the ones who said "no thanks" to the nearly 30%
increase, so i haven't been getting the magazine. i was just wondering
if anyone knew what effect the rate increase was having...

TIA...


---j_a, who plans on asking for a membership for xmas, so my siblings
can split the fee. :)

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#2: Re: AOS/"Orchids" question

Posted on 2006-07-04 20:55:12 by danny

I've heard membership dropped, I don't know how much. That's not something
they would want to publish.
-danny

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&gt; so any of you who still get &quot;orchids&quot; mag from the AOS--has there been
&gt; any mention of a change in membership numbers since they jacked up the
&gt; dues? i'm one of the ones who said &quot;no thanks&quot; to the nearly 30%
&gt; increase, so i haven't been getting the magazine. i was just wondering
&gt; if anyone knew what effect the rate increase was having...
&gt;
&gt; TIA...
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; ---j_a, who plans on asking for a membership for xmas, so my siblings
&gt; can split the fee. :)

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#3: Re: AOS/"Orchids" question

Posted on 2006-07-05 00:50:23 by Steve

Are magazines still required to put their circulation numbers in that
information page near the beginning? I'm sure there's room to fudge the
numbers a little but it could give a rough idea if they still do that.

Steve

danny wrote:
&gt; I've heard membership dropped, I don't know how much. That's not something
&gt; they would want to publish.
&gt; -danny
&gt;
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&gt;
&gt;&gt;so any of you who still get &quot;orchids&quot; mag from the AOS--has there been
&gt;&gt;any mention of a change in membership numbers since they jacked up the
&gt;&gt;dues? i'm one of the ones who said &quot;no thanks&quot; to the nearly 30%
&gt;&gt;increase, so i haven't been getting the magazine. i was just wondering
&gt;&gt;if anyone knew what effect the rate increase was having...
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;TIA...
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;---j_a, who plans on asking for a membership for xmas, so my siblings
&gt;&gt;can split the fee. :)
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;

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#4: Re: AOS/"Orchids" question

Posted on 2006-07-05 00:55:41 by unknown

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:ZdOdncWJaP4sbTfZnZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d&#64;adelphia.com" target="_blank">ZdOdncWJaP4sbTfZnZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d&#64;adelphia.com</a>&gt;,
Steve &lt;<a href="mailto:tlswilso&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">tlswilso&#64;aol.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; Are magazines still required to put their circulation numbers in that
&gt; information page near the beginning? I'm sure there's room to fudge the
&gt; numbers a little but it could give a rough idea if they still do that.
&gt;
&gt; Steve



-pondering- i suppose an argument could be made that that's a not a
magazine of general circulation, but a &quot;society newsletter&quot; so the
requirement may not apply.

--j_a

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#5: Re: AOS/"Orchids" question

Posted on 2006-07-05 02:00:52 by Diana Kulaga

I agree with j_a. The current (July) issue of Orchids does not list
circulation numbers. I don't know whether there is a requirement for some
publications, but if there is, certainly a publication that is not offered
at news stands, etc., would be exempt.

Having said that, it would be interesting to know the answer to the original
question. I'm going to contact our AOS rep. I do support AOS, in any event.
I know that in the past there has been a big disconnect between the
hierarchy and the general membership, but I see some big changes in
outreach. Of course, I am in FL and close to the action, so perhaps I see it
more than others who are farther removed.

Diana

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#6: Re: AOS/"Orchids" question

Posted on 2006-07-05 02:49:28 by Eric Hunt

Danny,

I've heard through the grapevine that the membership is in &quot;free fall.&quot;

That's just the grapevine, though.

I didn't renew at $60.

-Eric in SF
www.orchidphotos.org

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&gt; I've heard membership dropped, I don't know how much. That's not
&gt; something they would want to publish.
&gt; -danny

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#7: Re: AOS/"Orchids" question

Posted on 2006-07-05 15:11:21 by AL

I am not trying to K-nock the AOS. I like the AOS, I have been getting that
&quot;Bulletin&quot; (Now called &quot;Orchids&quot;) since the 1980s, however....

<a href="http://www.orchidweb.org/aos/orchids/osd-listing.aspx" target="_blank">http://www.orchidweb.org/aos/orchids/osd-listing.aspx</a>
The grower/vendor listing above on the AOS website is an interesting case to
help answer your question

They list vendors by state for the USA. When I first bought my listing for
Virginia it was $50 for *two* years. Then it jumped to $100 for *two*
years. This renewal period, for just *one* year (July 2006 through July
2007) it cost $100. So the price doubled from last time.

And last month, at the end of the last two year period there were about 7 to
9 vendors listed in Virginia. Today I found one.

I had called to ask if the one year change was a misprint and was told it
was not and the lady from the AOS told me they felt it was a good deal
because of the exposure they could provide my business. What makes me
chuckle is that they don't seem to know they can easily count how many
visitors to their site find a specific link and click on it. They should
know what kind of deal it is and be able to provide their potential
advertisers with real data.

I can do this in reverse: I know where people find the link that brings
them to my site. I have a site statistic program on my site that tracks
this kind of info. In the last two years click-throughs from the AOS
averaged less than 1.5 clicks a week. and I could not spend $1.28 a click
for this amount of exposure next year. In contrast, the orchidmall.com
averages about 25 to 30 a week and Google's various IP addresses account for
closer to 125 to 150 a week.....and these are free.

For the $100 I would also get my business name printed in their Source
directory which they send out to members. I searched for mine last month
and could not find, of course it was two years old at that point and long
buried under piles of stuff in the 'library'. Then I asked a couple of
friends to look something up for me and only one person could find their
copy. I think that about says it all.

The AOS marketing committee should KNOW this and price the advertising
accordingly. But if there is a corresponding loss to membership over the
rise in dues, the AOS is in real trouble.

If you were allowed to say things like this on the AOS forum without getting
booted off, maybe they would know it.



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&gt; Danny,
&gt;
&gt; I've heard through the grapevine that the membership is in &quot;free fall.&quot;
&gt;
&gt; That's just the grapevine, though.
&gt;
&gt; I didn't renew at $60.
&gt;
&gt; -Eric in SF
&gt; www.orchidphotos.org
&gt;
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&gt;&gt; I've heard membership dropped, I don't know how much. That's not
&gt;&gt; something they would want to publish.
&gt;&gt; -danny
&gt;
&gt;

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#8: Re: AOS/"Orchids" question

Posted on 2006-07-05 16:11:23 by jankey

Al wrote:

&gt;
&gt; If you were allowed to say things like this on the AOS forum without getting
&gt; booted off, maybe they would know it.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;

well it would just be good business practice for AOS to lurk on these
other groups/boards; it's not like there are so many active orchid
groups out there that it would take more than an hour a week to cruise
them.

thx for the responses all; i'd hate to see the AOS run itself into the
ground over something like this.

--j_a

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#9: Re: AOS/"Orchids" question

Posted on 2006-07-05 16:21:18 by delcolja

unknown wrote:
&gt; In article &lt;<a href="mailto:ZdOdncWJaP4sbTfZnZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d&#64;adelphia.com" target="_blank">ZdOdncWJaP4sbTfZnZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d&#64;adelphia.com</a>&gt;,
&gt; Steve &lt;<a href="mailto:tlswilso&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">tlswilso&#64;aol.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; Are magazines still required to put their circulation numbers in that
&gt; &gt; information page near the beginning? I'm sure there's room to fudge the
&gt; &gt; numbers a little but it could give a rough idea if they still do that.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Steve
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; -pondering- i suppose an argument could be made that that's a not a
&gt; magazine of general circulation, but a &quot;society newsletter&quot; so the
&gt; requirement may not apply.


I think the requirement applies to any publication that wants to
qualify for second class mail rates, --a lot cheaper than first
class--, IIRC.

J. Del Col

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#10: Re: AOS/"Orchids" question

Posted on 2006-07-05 16:28:22 by delcolja

Diana Kulaga wrote:
&gt; I agree with j_a. The current (July) issue of Orchids does not list
&gt; circulation numbers. I don't know whether there is a requirement for some
&gt; publications, but if there is, certainly a publication that is not offered
&gt; at news stands, etc., would be exempt.


Update to my first reply. --Any-- periodical published at least four
times a year and sent via USPS can get a Second-Class Mail Permit and
save a bundle on postage. AOS wouldn't want to be &quot;exempt.&quot; I believe
that the statement of ownership and circulation need be published maybe
once or twice a year.

J. Del Col

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#11: Re: AOS/"Orchids" question

Posted on 2006-07-05 16:31:58 by delcolja

Diana Kulaga wrote:
&gt; I agree with j_a. The current (July) issue of Orchids does not list
&gt; circulation numbers. I don't know whether there is a requirement for some
&gt; publications, but if there is, certainly a publication that is not offered
&gt; at news stands, etc., would be exempt.


Further update:

What used to be called Second Class Mail is now simply called
Periodical Mail.

Again. AOS wouldn't want to be exempt, unless it wants to pay first
class rates.

J. Del Col

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#12: Re: AOS/"Orchids" question

Posted on 2006-07-05 16:46:05 by John Varigos

Although I am Australian, it is my understanding that the USP requires an
annual statement of Ownership, Management and Circulation be published in
the end of year issue of each subscriber publication.

This information appears in minute print in each December issue of Orchid.

Average total distribution per issue during preceding 12 months (including
free copies) of Orchid:

2004 = 24312
2005 = 22574

So in one year the distribution has fallen by 1738 (about 7%) and this is
before the increase in price.

Cheers

John



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&gt;
&gt; Are magazines still required to put their circulation numbers in that
&gt; information page near the beginning? I'm sure there's room to fudge the
&gt; numbers a little but it could give a rough idea if they still do that.
&gt;
&gt; Steve
&gt;
&gt; danny wrote:
&gt;&gt; I've heard membership dropped, I don't know how much. That's not
&gt;&gt; something they would want to publish.
&gt;&gt; -danny
&gt;&gt;
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&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;so any of you who still get &quot;orchids&quot; mag from the AOS--has there been
&gt;&gt;&gt;any mention of a change in membership numbers since they jacked up the
&gt;&gt;&gt;dues? i'm one of the ones who said &quot;no thanks&quot; to the nearly 30%
&gt;&gt;&gt;increase, so i haven't been getting the magazine. i was just wondering
&gt;&gt;&gt;if anyone knew what effect the rate increase was having...
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;TIA...
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;---j_a, who plans on asking for a membership for xmas, so my siblings
&gt;&gt;&gt;can split the fee. :)
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;

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#13: Re: AOS/"Orchids" question

Posted on 2006-07-05 19:26:00 by myrmecodia

Al wrote:
&gt; I am not trying to K-nock the AOS. I like the AOS, I have been getting that
&gt; &quot;Bulletin&quot; (Now called &quot;Orchids&quot;) since the 1980s, however....
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://www.orchidweb.org/aos/orchids/osd-listing.aspx" target="_blank">http://www.orchidweb.org/aos/orchids/osd-listing.aspx</a>
&gt; The grower/vendor listing above on the AOS website is an interesting case to
&gt; help answer your question
&gt;
&gt; They list vendors by state for the USA. When I first bought my listing for
&gt; Virginia it was $50 for *two* years. Then it jumped to $100 for *two*
&gt; years. This renewal period, for just *one* year (July 2006 through July
&gt; 2007) it cost $100. So the price doubled from last time.

In the early 90s, the primary appeal of the AOS bulletin was the
advertisements. Now, the ads are almost completely irrelevant to me;
if I want a specific plant, I google it. If I want to browse multiple
nurseries, I head over to orchidmall.com. Consequently, it is the
actual content of the magazine that is more important to me now. I
find more to interest me in the Orchid Digest, so there's no point in
renewing the AOS Bulletin. I don't submit orchids for judging, so from
a purely selfish point of view, AOS membership really isn't of any
benefit to me any more. For the cost of 12 issues, I can buy a really
nice hardback book or a basket full of seedlings.

Nick

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#14: Re: AOS/"Orchids" question

Posted on 2006-07-05 19:49:30 by Gene Schurg

Nick,

You make a great point about how the internet has impacted this hobby in
general. 10 years ago the only way to find a plant was to look for an ad in
the magazine or telephone a grower and ask if they had something special in
their collection. Today we just get online and read the online ad
(webpage). If we find what we want we can email or order it online and
never have to talk to another person.

The other way the internet has really impacted the hobby involves how we buy
plants in general. I still love to roam around a greenhouse and pick the
best plant. Ask Al how much time I can spend just roaming around and
comparing one plant to another. But many time I can go through the Oak Hill
website and pick hundred dollars of plants that I want and with a couple of
keystrokes have them at my home in 3 days. 10 years ago we would have to
use a catalog, write a check, put a stamp on the envelope, walk to the mail
box.....ahhh technology!

I don't have any statistics but I know I haven't bought an orchid book in
many years. All the information I need is available with a quick google.
Pictures are here online. Care instructions are often more complete online.

I still subscribe to the Orchids magazine as well as IPA and ODC but am
reaching the point where I am wondering if it's worth the money. You are
correct that the $200 a year I spend to get the magazines could be spent on
a couple of great plants.

Good Growing,
Gene


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&gt; Al wrote:
&gt; &gt; I am not trying to K-nock the AOS. I like the AOS, I have been getting
that
&gt; &gt; &quot;Bulletin&quot; (Now called &quot;Orchids&quot;) since the 1980s, however....
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; <a href="http://www.orchidweb.org/aos/orchids/osd-listing.aspx" target="_blank">http://www.orchidweb.org/aos/orchids/osd-listing.aspx</a>
&gt; &gt; The grower/vendor listing above on the AOS website is an interesting
case to
&gt; &gt; help answer your question
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; They list vendors by state for the USA. When I first bought my listing
for
&gt; &gt; Virginia it was $50 for *two* years. Then it jumped to $100 for *two*
&gt; &gt; years. This renewal period, for just *one* year (July 2006 through July
&gt; &gt; 2007) it cost $100. So the price doubled from last time.
&gt;
&gt; In the early 90s, the primary appeal of the AOS bulletin was the
&gt; advertisements. Now, the ads are almost completely irrelevant to me;
&gt; if I want a specific plant, I google it. If I want to browse multiple
&gt; nurseries, I head over to orchidmall.com. Consequently, it is the
&gt; actual content of the magazine that is more important to me now. I
&gt; find more to interest me in the Orchid Digest, so there's no point in
&gt; renewing the AOS Bulletin. I don't submit orchids for judging, so from
&gt; a purely selfish point of view, AOS membership really isn't of any
&gt; benefit to me any more. For the cost of 12 issues, I can buy a really
&gt; nice hardback book or a basket full of seedlings.
&gt;
&gt; Nick
&gt;

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#15: Re: AOS/"Orchids" question

Posted on 2006-07-05 23:07:22 by Diana Kulaga

Just wanted you all to know that I didn't hit and run upthread. I'm reading
all this with great interest.

Diana

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#16: Re: AOS/"Orchids" question

Posted on 2006-07-06 00:02:28 by jankey

Diana Kulaga wrote:
&gt; Just wanted you all to know that I didn't hit and run upthread. I'm reading
&gt; all this with great interest.
&gt;
&gt; Diana


me too. :)

--j_a

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#17: Re: AOS/"Orchids" question

Posted on 2006-07-06 02:17:05 by jtill

<a href="mailto:jankey&#64;erols.com" target="_blank">jankey&#64;erols.com</a> wrote:
&gt; Al wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; If you were allowed to say things like this on the AOS forum without getting
&gt; &gt; booted off, maybe they would know it.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt;
&gt; well it would just be good business practice for AOS to lurk on these
&gt; other groups/boards; it's not like there are so many active orchid
&gt; groups out there that it would take more than an hour a week to cruise
&gt; them.
&gt;
&gt; thx for the responses all; i'd hate to see the AOS run itself into the
&gt; ground over something like this.
&gt;
&gt; --j_a

Being a non-member and a newbie I think it would be to AOS's advantage
to lurk here and other places as Al suggests. I don't see any reason to
buy their mag although I once was a member and received it. Years ago.
Maybe some of you members could send them a blind copy! Wouldn't that
blow their skirt up!
Joe T
Baytown

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#18: Re: AOS/"Orchids" question

Posted on 2006-07-06 07:38:29 by Eric Hunt

Gene,

Ahh, here's where I am different, just a little.

I actively buy orchid books - usually 4-6 a year. The breadth of knowledge
and information found in orchid books is still unmatched, even by the
Internet. I am *constantly* referring to them as I work on my website. Just
this weekend I found an ID on a strange little plant I photographed in
Ecuador 2 years ago from my Native Ecuadorian Orchids series.

Cultural info - totally on the internet. But for checklists/references for
the flora of a region/country or an in-depth look at a particular genus,
books are still The Place To Go.

Additionally, the market for orchid books is expanding - the selection is
getting larger as the years go by. New volumes on Cuba, Mexico, Britain as
well as new treatises on Masdevallias, Coelogynes, and Dendrobiums - and
that's just from the top of my head. And I don't even pay attention to the
explosion of gaudy (to me) coffee-table books about orchids.

-Eric in SF
www.orchidphotos.org

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#19: Re: AOS/"Orchids" question

Posted on 2006-07-06 09:33:41 by John Varigos

Eric, I'm with you.

I probably buy about half a dozen books a year and subscribe to 6 journals
(yes, including Orchids!).

I am much more selective with what I buy these days compared to when I first
started growing orchids when I used to buy every book that found its way to
my local book stores (before the days of the Internet). I have quite a
collection of &quot;orchids for beginners&quot; predominantly from Australian, US and
UK authors but also some now out of print classics. As my knowledge
improved I became more selective in what books interested me. Nowadays, I
can surf the Internet at my leisure comparing prices at Timber Press, Barnes
and Nobel, Amazon, Orchidaceous Books, Kew Bookstore etc, and reading online
reviews/comments.

I still get a great thrill when the latest parcel from Amazon arrives.
There is nothing like sitting down with a beautiful book and digesting its
contents. Must say, I can't resist going into second hand books stores just
in case I find a gem of an orchid book. Have found some lovely old books
doing this.

Long live books!

cheers
~John




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&gt; Gene,
&gt;
&gt; Ahh, here's where I am different, just a little.
&gt;
&gt; I actively buy orchid books - usually 4-6 a year. The breadth of knowledge
&gt; and information found in orchid books is still unmatched, even by the
&gt; Internet. I am *constantly* referring to them as I work on my website.
&gt; Just this weekend I found an ID on a strange little plant I photographed
&gt; in Ecuador 2 years ago from my Native Ecuadorian Orchids series.
&gt;
&gt; Cultural info - totally on the internet. But for checklists/references for
&gt; the flora of a region/country or an in-depth look at a particular genus,
&gt; books are still The Place To Go.
&gt;
&gt; Additionally, the market for orchid books is expanding - the selection is
&gt; getting larger as the years go by. New volumes on Cuba, Mexico, Britain as
&gt; well as new treatises on Masdevallias, Coelogynes, and Dendrobiums - and
&gt; that's just from the top of my head. And I don't even pay attention to the
&gt; explosion of gaudy (to me) coffee-table books about orchids.
&gt;
&gt; -Eric in SF
&gt; www.orchidphotos.org
&gt;

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#20: Re: AOS/"Orchids" question

Posted on 2006-07-06 16:08:42 by jankey

John Varigos wrote:

&gt;
&gt; 2004 = 24312
&gt; 2005 = 22574
&gt;
&gt; So in one year the distribution has fallen by 1738 (about 7%) and this is
&gt; before the increase in price.
&gt;
&gt; Cheers
&gt;
&gt; John
&gt;
&gt;

it will be VERY interesting to see what this year's figures are. :)

--j_a

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#21: Re: AOS/"Orchids" question

Posted on 2006-07-06 16:13:48 by Steve

<a href="mailto:myrmecodia&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">myrmecodia&#64;yahoo.com</a> wrote:
&gt;.............
&gt; ........................
&gt; In the early 90s, the primary appeal of the AOS bulletin was the
&gt; advertisements. Now, the ads are almost completely irrelevant to me;
&gt; if I want a specific plant, I google it...................
&gt; ...........................
&gt; Nick
&gt;


That is SO true. When I first started getting the AOS Bulletin, the ads
were my only choice for buying orchids. Either directly from an ad or by
writing for a catalog. Computers have changed everything.

Steve

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#22: Re: AOS/"Orchids" question

Posted on 2006-07-06 16:27:15 by Steve

Back when I started hearing about how much more the membership was going
to cost, I thought I would just drop out. Last month, when the bill came
to renew with AOS, I thought I would send it back with a note saying the
cost was higher than I am willing to pay. I put it with my bills to be
paid so I would take care of that.
Then I sat down to pay the bills and I paid that one too. I thought ...
&quot;I've been a member since 1976, I can afford to renew even thought 2
years is over $100, what the heck, one more time&quot;. I still have that
little voice telling me I shouldn't have paid.

Steve


danny wrote:

&gt; I've heard membership dropped, I don't know how much. That's not something
&gt; they would want to publish.
&gt; -danny
&gt;
&gt; &quot;unknown&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:noreply&#64;nowhere.com" target="_blank">noreply&#64;nowhere.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; news:<a href="mailto:noreply-E0A191.11334304072006&#64;comcast.dca.giganews.com..." target="_blank">noreply-E0A191.11334304072006&#64;comcast.dca.giganews.com...</a>
&gt;
&gt;&gt;so any of you who still get &quot;orchids&quot; mag from the AOS--has there been
&gt;&gt;any mention of a change in membership numbers since they jacked up the
&gt;&gt;dues? i'm one of the ones who said &quot;no thanks&quot; to the nearly 30%
&gt;&gt;increase, so i haven't been getting the magazine. i was just wondering
&gt;&gt;if anyone knew what effect the rate increase was having...
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;TIA...
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;---j_a, who plans on asking for a membership for xmas, so my siblings
&gt;&gt;can split the fee. :)
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;

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#23: Re: AOS/"Orchids" question

Posted on 2006-07-06 18:06:04 by Susan Erickson

On Thu, 6 Jul 2006 17:57:55 +1000, &quot;John Varigos&quot;
&lt;<a href="mailto:jvarigos&#64;usenet.mediclin.com.au" target="_blank">jvarigos&#64;usenet.mediclin.com.au</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;Eric, I'm with you.
------- clip -----------------
&gt;I still get a great thrill when the latest parcel from Amazon arrives.
&gt;There is nothing like sitting down with a beautiful book and digesting its
&gt;contents. Must say, I can't resist going into second hand books stores just
&gt;in case I find a gem of an orchid book. Have found some lovely old books
&gt;doing this.
&gt;
&gt;Long live books!
&gt;
&gt;cheers
&gt;~John
&gt;

For the Amazon buyer. If you can try Buy.Com They are out to equal
Amazon and have a sale on Books (some other things as well) 10% off
Amazon's price. Log in and choose your books. Then decide to wait.
You may get a coupon for an additional discount - Some of the books
are shipped free some are not. So it could be Shipping will change
your cost.
SuE
<a href="http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/orchids" target="_blank">http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/orchids</a>

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#24: Re: AOS/"Orchids" question

Posted on 2006-07-06 18:22:20 by jtill

Susan Erickson wrote:
&gt; On Thu, 6 Jul 2006 17:57:55 +1000, &quot;John Varigos&quot;
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:jvarigos&#64;usenet.mediclin.com.au" target="_blank">jvarigos&#64;usenet.mediclin.com.au</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt;Eric, I'm with you.
&gt; ------- clip -----------------
&gt; &gt;I still get a great thrill when the latest parcel from Amazon arrives.
&gt; &gt;There is nothing like sitting down with a beautiful book and digesting its
&gt; &gt;contents. Must say, I can't resist going into second hand books stores just
&gt; &gt;in case I find a gem of an orchid book. Have found some lovely old books
&gt; &gt;doing this.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;Long live books!
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;cheers
&gt; &gt;~John
&gt; &gt;
&gt;
&gt; For the Amazon buyer. If you can try Buy.Com They are out to equal
&gt; Amazon and have a sale on Books (some other things as well) 10% off
&gt; Amazon's price. Log in and choose your books. Then decide to wait.
&gt; You may get a coupon for an additional discount - Some of the books
&gt; are shipped free some are not. So it could be Shipping will change
&gt; your cost.
&gt; SuE
&gt; <a href="http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/orchids" target="_blank">http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/orchids</a>

I always try to buy their used books ( on Amazon). Have not got a bad
one so far out of maybe a dozen. Most have steep discounts.
Joe T

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#25: Re: AOS/"Orchids" question-books

Posted on 2006-07-06 21:19:45 by Diana Kulaga

Speaking of books, AOS is partnering with Amazon. If you go through the AOS
web site to purchase from Amazon, you still get the good Amazon deals and
AOS gets a little something too.

<a href="http://www.aos.org/aos/shop/orchidandgardenbooks.aspx" target="_blank">http://www.aos.org/aos/shop/orchidandgardenbooks.aspx</a>

Just sayin'.

Diana

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#26: Re: AOS/"Orchids" question-books

Posted on 2006-07-06 21:58:18 by Susan Erickson

On Thu, 6 Jul 2006 15:19:45 -0400, &quot;Diana Kulaga&quot;
&lt;<a href="mailto:diandfrankcat&#64;bellsouth.net" target="_blank">diandfrankcat&#64;bellsouth.net</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;Speaking of books, AOS is partnering with Amazon. If you go through the AOS
&gt;web site to purchase from Amazon, you still get the good Amazon deals and
&gt;AOS gets a little something too.
&gt;
&gt;<a href="http://www.aos.org/aos/shop/orchidandgardenbooks.aspx" target="_blank">http://www.aos.org/aos/shop/orchidandgardenbooks.aspx</a>
&gt;
&gt;Just sayin'.
&gt;
&gt;Diana
&gt;

I hope this is the start of their cutting down the &quot;store&quot; at the
crystal palace. They need to contain costs and up service.
Their prices were generally higher.
SuE
<a href="http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/orchids" target="_blank">http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/orchids</a>

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#27: Re: AOS/"Orchids" question

Posted on 2006-07-06 22:01:36 by profpam

I, too, am debating the $60 for one year renewal affordability. Prices
have skyrocked but we do have options in as far as where the money goes.
Nevertheless, I may wait it out a few months before renewing since
other periodicals around here are creating to nothing but clutter. But,
then again, I love the AOS Orchids Magazine.

.. . . Pam
Everything Orchid Management System
<a href="http://home.earthlink.net/~profpam/page3.html" target="_blank">http://home.earthlink.net/~profpam/page3.html</a>

------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------
Steve wrote:
&gt;
&gt; Back when I started hearing about how much more the membership was going
&gt; to cost, I thought I would just drop out. Last month, when the bill came
&gt; to renew with AOS, I thought I would send it back with a note saying the
&gt; cost was higher than I am willing to pay. I put it with my bills to be
&gt; paid so I would take care of that.
&gt; Then I sat down to pay the bills and I paid that one too. I thought ...
&gt; &quot;I've been a member since 1976, I can afford to renew even thought 2
&gt; years is over $100, what the heck, one more time&quot;. I still have that
&gt; little voice telling me I shouldn't have paid.
&gt;
&gt; Steve
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; danny wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; I've heard membership dropped, I don't know how much. That's not
&gt;&gt; something they would want to publish.
&gt;&gt; -danny
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &quot;unknown&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:noreply&#64;nowhere.com" target="_blank">noreply&#64;nowhere.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt;&gt; news:<a href="mailto:noreply-E0A191.11334304072006&#64;comcast.dca.giganews.com..." target="_blank">noreply-E0A191.11334304072006&#64;comcast.dca.giganews.com...</a>
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; so any of you who still get &quot;orchids&quot; mag from the AOS--has there been
&gt;&gt;&gt; any mention of a change in membership numbers since they jacked up the
&gt;&gt;&gt; dues? i'm one of the ones who said &quot;no thanks&quot; to the nearly 30%
&gt;&gt;&gt; increase, so i haven't been getting the magazine. i was just wondering
&gt;&gt;&gt; if anyone knew what effect the rate increase was having...
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; TIA...
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; ---j_a, who plans on asking for a membership for xmas, so my siblings
&gt;&gt;&gt; can split the fee. :)
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;

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#28: Re: AOS/"Orchids" question-books

Posted on 2006-07-06 22:36:33 by Diana Kulaga

They are going to scale down the store. They won't be stocking books unless
they are put out by AOS, AFAIK.

Diana

&quot;Susan Erickson&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:sue&#64;evilsoft.org" target="_blank">sue&#64;evilsoft.org</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; On Thu, 6 Jul 2006 15:19:45 -0400, &quot;Diana Kulaga&quot;
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:diandfrankcat&#64;bellsouth.net" target="_blank">diandfrankcat&#64;bellsouth.net</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;Speaking of books, AOS is partnering with Amazon. If you go through the
&gt;&gt;AOS
&gt;&gt;web site to purchase from Amazon, you still get the good Amazon deals and
&gt;&gt;AOS gets a little something too.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;<a href="http://www.aos.org/aos/shop/orchidandgardenbooks.aspx" target="_blank">http://www.aos.org/aos/shop/orchidandgardenbooks.aspx</a>
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Just sayin'.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Diana
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; I hope this is the start of their cutting down the &quot;store&quot; at the
&gt; crystal palace. They need to contain costs and up service.
&gt; Their prices were generally higher.
&gt; SuE
&gt; <a href="http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/orchids" target="_blank">http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/orchids</a>

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#29: Re: AOS/"Orchids" question

Posted on 2006-07-07 00:40:07 by John Varigos

Spare a thought for those of us living in Australia. $USD 60 = $AUD 80!!

Even more reason to question continuing my subscription.
~John



&quot;profpam&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:profpam&#64;earthlink.net" target="_blank">profpam&#64;earthlink.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; I, too, am debating the $60 for one year renewal affordability. Prices
&gt; have skyrocked but we do have options in as far as where the money goes.
&gt; Nevertheless, I may wait it out a few months before renewing since other
&gt; periodicals around here are creating to nothing but clutter. But, then
&gt; again, I love the AOS Orchids Magazine.
&gt;
&gt; . . . Pam
&gt; Everything Orchid Management System
&gt; <a href="http://home.earthlink.net/~profpam/page3.html" target="_blank">http://home.earthlink.net/~profpam/page3.html</a>
&gt;
&gt; ------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------
&gt; Steve wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Back when I started hearing about how much more the membership was going
&gt;&gt; to cost, I thought I would just drop out. Last month, when the bill came
&gt;&gt; to renew with AOS, I thought I would send it back with a note saying the
&gt;&gt; cost was higher than I am willing to pay. I put it with my bills to be
&gt;&gt; paid so I would take care of that.
&gt;&gt; Then I sat down to pay the bills and I paid that one too. I thought ...
&gt;&gt; &quot;I've been a member since 1976, I can afford to renew even thought 2
&gt;&gt; years is over $100, what the heck, one more time&quot;. I still have that
&gt;&gt; little voice telling me I shouldn't have paid.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Steve
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; danny wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; I've heard membership dropped, I don't know how much. That's not
&gt;&gt;&gt; something they would want to publish.
&gt;&gt;&gt; -danny
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;unknown&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:noreply&#64;nowhere.com" target="_blank">noreply&#64;nowhere.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt;&gt;&gt; news:<a href="mailto:noreply-E0A191.11334304072006&#64;comcast.dca.giganews.com..." target="_blank">noreply-E0A191.11334304072006&#64;comcast.dca.giganews.com...</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; so any of you who still get &quot;orchids&quot; mag from the AOS--has there been
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; any mention of a change in membership numbers since they jacked up the
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; dues? i'm one of the ones who said &quot;no thanks&quot; to the nearly 30%
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; increase, so i haven't been getting the magazine. i was just wondering
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; if anyone knew what effect the rate increase was having...
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; TIA...
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; ---j_a, who plans on asking for a membership for xmas, so my siblings
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; can split the fee. :)
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;

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#30: Re: AOS/"Orchids" question

Posted on 2006-07-07 03:49:42 by danny

Isn't it $72 for you? Could be worse. I have to decide whether to shell
out 51 pounds for another year of &quot;Sight and Sound&quot; from Britain. I like
their movie reviews, but it's gettin' a bit pricey.
-danny

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&gt; Spare a thought for those of us living in Australia. $USD 60 = $AUD 80!!
&gt;
&gt; Even more reason to question continuing my subscription.
&gt; ~John

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#31: Re: AOS/"Orchids" question

Posted on 2006-07-07 10:49:19 by John Varigos

I wished, Danny. Current exchange rate $USD 1 = $AUD 1.33741 therefore $USD
60 -= $AUD 80.

Not so cheerful
~John

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&gt; Isn't it $72 for you? Could be worse. I have to decide whether to shell
&gt; out 51 pounds for another year of &quot;Sight and Sound&quot; from Britain. I like
&gt; their movie reviews, but it's gettin' a bit pricey.
&gt; -danny
&gt;
&gt; &quot;John Varigos&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jvarigos&#64;usenet.mediclin.com.au" target="_blank">jvarigos&#64;usenet.mediclin.com.au</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;&gt; Spare a thought for those of us living in Australia. $USD 60 = $AUD 80!!
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Even more reason to question continuing my subscription.
&gt;&gt; ~John
&gt;
&gt;

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Posted on 2006-07-07 14:29:38 by danny

I meant US$72 for foreign subscribers.
-danny

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&gt;I wished, Danny. Current exchange rate $USD 1 = $AUD 1.33741 therefore
&gt;$USD 60 -= $AUD 80.
&gt;
&gt; Not so cheerful
&gt; ~John
&gt;
&gt; &quot;danny&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:foo&#64;notbar.net" target="_blank">foo&#64;notbar.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;&gt; Isn't it $72 for you? Could be worse. I have to decide whether to shell
&gt;&gt; out 51 pounds for another year of &quot;Sight and Sound&quot; from Britain. I like
&gt;&gt; their movie reviews, but it's gettin' a bit pricey.
&gt;&gt; -danny
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &quot;John Varigos&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jvarigos&#64;usenet.mediclin.com.au" target="_blank">jvarigos&#64;usenet.mediclin.com.au</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;&gt;&gt; Spare a thought for those of us living in Australia. $USD 60 = $AUD
&gt;&gt;&gt; 80!!
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Even more reason to question continuing my subscription.
&gt;&gt;&gt; ~John
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt;

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#33: Re: AOS/"Orchids" question

Posted on 2006-07-07 15:59:07 by pakrat

On Thu, 6 Jul 2006 21:49:42 -0400 in &lt;j4jrg.19222$<a href="mailto:7K2.8367&#64;bignews2.bellsouth.net" target="_blank">7K2.8367&#64;bignews2.bellsouth.net</a>&gt; danny &lt;<a href="mailto:foo&#64;notbar.net" target="_blank">foo&#64;notbar.net</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; Isn't it $72 for you? Could be worse. I have to decide whether to shell
&gt; out 51 pounds for another year of &quot;Sight and Sound&quot; from Britain. I like
&gt; their movie reviews, but it's gettin' a bit pricey.
&gt; -danny

Okay, I'll bite, what's the appeal of periodicals in this day and
age?
I gave up on periodicals after the incident where Mother Earth News
discovered how to misuse desktop publishing software.
I could no longer fathom paying my money for a bunch of ads that
never seemed to target me, with a bunch of articles that appeared to
be thinly veiled press releases, and a lot of bad graphic design
without redeeming content.
(Granted, most of my periodicals were computer industry).

I can see plunking down the cash for a book with good content
or the rarity a book with good content and good form.
But a periodical that comes out period after period is going
to have spells of bad content at best.
--
Chris Dukes
&quot;The key to effective management is properly timed hovering.&quot;

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#34: Re: AOS/"Orchids" question

Posted on 2006-07-07 17:19:25 by John Varigos

Now you have really made my weekend miserable! ;-(
~John

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&gt;I meant US$72 for foreign subscribers.
&gt; -danny
&gt;
&gt; &quot;John Varigos&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jvarigos&#64;usenet.mediclin.com.au" target="_blank">jvarigos&#64;usenet.mediclin.com.au</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;&gt;I wished, Danny. Current exchange rate $USD 1 = $AUD 1.33741 therefore
&gt;&gt;$USD 60 -= $AUD 80.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Not so cheerful
&gt;&gt; ~John
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &quot;danny&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:foo&#64;notbar.net" target="_blank">foo&#64;notbar.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;&gt;&gt; Isn't it $72 for you? Could be worse. I have to decide whether to
&gt;&gt;&gt; shell out 51 pounds for another year of &quot;Sight and Sound&quot; from Britain.
&gt;&gt;&gt; I like their movie reviews, but it's gettin' a bit pricey.
&gt;&gt;&gt; -danny
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;John Varigos&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jvarigos&#64;usenet.mediclin.com.au" target="_blank">jvarigos&#64;usenet.mediclin.com.au</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Spare a thought for those of us living in Australia. $USD 60 = $AUD
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 80!!
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Even more reason to question continuing my subscription.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; ~John
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt;

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#35: Re: AOS/"Orchids" question

Posted on 2006-07-08 01:49:52 by unknown

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:slrneasq59.3aj.pakrat&#64;mouse.private.neotoma.org" target="_blank">slrneasq59.3aj.pakrat&#64;mouse.private.neotoma.org</a>&gt;,
? &lt;<a href="mailto:pakrat&#64;localhost.private.neotoma.org" target="_blank">pakrat&#64;localhost.private.neotoma.org</a>&gt; wrote:


&gt;
&gt; Okay, I'll bite, what's the appeal of periodicals in this day and
&gt; age?



in this particular case, two words: eye candy. :)

seriously though, i find some of the articles useful and i like the
calendar in the back. ads do nothing for me.

i *have* cut down on my subscriptions to other thing, i must admit, but
i'm still addicted to the sunday paper. (i read the daily online.)

(as for the orchid book discussion above--i have about three i think.
that's about all i need.)

--j_a

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#36: Re: AOS/"Orchids" question

Posted on 2006-07-08 23:49:31 by Eric Hunt

Chris,

For me, my subscription to Orchid Digest is like getting a book four times a
year. It's a quarterly magazine and every issue is filled with valuable
information. The photography is always top notch, articles very nice, and
the graphic design is *slowly* improving. The graphic design has always been
the weakest part of Orchid Digest, but that is always overshadowed by the
sheer amount of useful info contained in every issue.

The Orchid Review out of England has taken a dramatic upswing in quality the
last year or so - I'm thinking about starting a subscription.

-Eric in SF
www.orchidphotos.org

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#37: Re: AOS/"Orchids" question

Posted on 2006-07-09 02:31:55 by John Varigos

Eric

I started subscribing to The Orchid Review about 6 years ago (sorry I didn't
start earlier) and it is well worth the price. Excellent articles and
photography and layout is much improved, Go for it.
~John

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&gt; Chris,
&gt;
&gt; For me, my subscription to Orchid Digest is like getting a book four times
&gt; a year. It's a quarterly magazine and every issue is filled with valuable
&gt; information. The photography is always top notch, articles very nice, and
&gt; the graphic design is *slowly* improving. The graphic design has always
&gt; been the weakest part of Orchid Digest, but that is always overshadowed by
&gt; the sheer amount of useful info contained in every issue.
&gt;
&gt; The Orchid Review out of England has taken a dramatic upswing in quality
&gt; the last year or so - I'm thinking about starting a subscription.
&gt;
&gt; -Eric in SF
&gt; www.orchidphotos.org
&gt;
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&gt;&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt; Okay, I'll bite, what's the appeal of periodicals in this day and
&gt;&gt; age?
&gt;
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#38: Re: AOS/"Orchids" question

Posted on 2006-07-10 11:06:32 by jtill

John Varigos wrote:
&gt; Eric
&gt;
&gt; I started subscribing to The Orchid Review about 6 years ago (sorry I didn't
&gt; start earlier) and it is well worth the price. Excellent articles and
&gt; photography and layout is much improved, Go for it.
&gt; ~John
&gt;
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&gt; &gt; Chris,
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; For me, my subscription to Orchid Digest is like getting a book four times
&gt; &gt; a year. It's a quarterly magazine and every issue is filled with valuable
&gt; &gt; information. The photography is always top notch, articles very nice, and
&gt; &gt; the graphic design is *slowly* improving. The graphic design has always
&gt; &gt; been the weakest part of Orchid Digest, but that is always overshadowed by
&gt; &gt; the sheer amount of useful info contained in every issue.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; The Orchid Review out of England has taken a dramatic upswing in quality
&gt; &gt; the last year or so - I'm thinking about starting a subscription.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; -Eric in SF
&gt; &gt; www.orchidphotos.org
&gt; &gt;
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&gt; &gt;&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt; Okay, I'll bite, what's the appeal of periodicals in this day and
&gt; &gt;&gt; age?
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;

You guys could sell your old copies on ebay! That way you get your
money back and I get to read the rag. ;-))
Joe T, Bayou Baytown, Tx.

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#39: Re: AOS/"Orchids" question

Posted on 2006-07-10 17:01:03 by Eric Hunt

Heresy! With a good index a magazine collection retains its utility for many
years. =)

I look on eBay for back issues! *grin*

-Eric in SF
www.orchidphotos.org

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&gt; You guys could sell your old copies on ebay! That way you get your
&gt; money back and I get to read the rag. ;-))

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#40: Re: AOS/"Orchids" question

Posted on 2006-07-10 18:03:08 by Susan Erickson

On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 08:01:03 -0700, &quot;Eric Hunt&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:yeahright&#64;nospam.com" target="_blank">yeahright&#64;nospam.com</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;Heresy! With a good index a magazine collection retains its utility for many
&gt;years. =)
&gt;
&gt;I look on eBay for back issues! *grin*
&gt;
&gt;-Eric in SF
&gt;www.orchidphotos.org
&gt;
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&gt;&gt; You guys could sell your old copies on ebay! That way you get your
&gt;&gt; money back and I get to read the rag. ;-))
&gt;


If there is a particular year - or set you want --
our OS has a lot of old ones selling for about $5 a year I think.

SuE
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